D&C 109 - 110 (2020 repost)

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign. [00:00:15] Speaker B: Welcome to the weekly Deep Dive podcast on the Add On Education Network. The podcast where we explore the weekly Come follow me discussion and try to add a little insight and unique perspective. I am your host, Jason Lloyd, here in the studio with my friend and the show's producer, Nate Pifer. [00:00:33] Speaker A: What's up, Nate? [00:00:35] Speaker B: How are your ribs doing? Coming along? [00:00:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:00:43] Speaker B: Slightly better than last week. At least you're not in a wheelchair. [00:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah. The problem is, is that I keep sneezing and every time I sneeze, I feel like I just break everything up again and can't breathe for a solid 2, 3 minutes and then just cry, just writhe and lay on the floor. [00:01:05] Speaker B: I don't know why I find that funny. [00:01:07] Speaker A: I mean, it is kind of funny if you're not me. Like, if you're anybody other than me, it's probably hilarious and terrifying to watch. [00:01:16] Speaker B: You ever have those moments when. [00:01:19] Speaker A: You. [00:01:20] Speaker B: Probably shouldn't find it funny because it is you, but you laugh anyways? [00:01:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:26] Speaker B: Like when I was a kid and I ran headfirst into a chain link fence in the middle of the night. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:01:31] Speaker B: And it cut a diamond right into my forehead. And I was laughing so hard at what that must have looked like from a spectator's point of view. But I digress. [00:01:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's wild. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Sorry, sorry. So let's see. Do you want to tell our listeners what happened? Your transmission fell out on the road and. [00:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, luckily it didn't actually hit the road. It just fell out of the bottom. [00:01:57] Speaker B: Of the car and kind of just dangled a little bit. [00:02:00] Speaker A: Didn't we go over this last week? Nobody wants to hear about my broken ribs. Let's do this. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Everybody wants to hear about your broken ribs, Nate. [00:02:05] Speaker A: It was a little rough, let's just put it that way. It's been a little hard to breathe. I've played two shows since then, for whatever it's worth. [00:02:12] Speaker B: And Nate, the musician, check them out down at. [00:02:13] Speaker A: In a wheelchair. Yeah, yeah, one of them was in a wheelchair. All right, let's see, what are we talking about this week? [00:02:21] Speaker B: This week we are going into Kirtland temple, Doctrine Covenants 109, which is the dedicatory prayer for the Kirtland Temple. And then one week later, we've got Revelation doctrine covenants, section 110, where Joseph Smith sees God and a couple special visitors visit him in the temple. Yeah, this is 109. Dr. Donald Perry down at BYU was my professor Hebrew. He is the one that turned me on to doctrine and covenants 109. He said he would always read it in the temple when he was going to the temple looking for something to read just in those quiet moments because it was the dedicatory prayer of the first temple of this dispensation. Ever since he said that, it has been kind of my go to section when I am sitting in the temple. So we are going to look at it. The Kirtland temple was dedicated March 27, 1836. About 1,000 people in attendance, which is a pretty good crowd. And sometimes, you know, we've got general conference coming up. And sitting through two hours can be a little bit hard, I think for some people, for most people, for just about anybody, I guess. Depends on how tired you are. It seems like a long meeting. I mean, sacrament seems a little bit long with 1 hours, 2 hours. It's very fulfilling, it's very good. It's hard when you got small kids trying to get them to focus. But the reason I bring it up is because this dedicatory service was seven hours long. That's a long service. [00:03:53] Speaker A: That is the wildest thing I've ever heard. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Yeah, seven hour dedication. But they said that nobody was tired, which makes it even more unbelievable. Maybe that was the biggest miracle of the Kirtland Temple dedication, was that everybody felt rejuvenated. They just hung on every word and describing the event. This is what Joseph Smith recalled. He wrote down, or had written down, I am not 100% sure which. George A. Smith arose and began to prophesy when a noise was heard like the sound of a rushing mighty wind, which. Which filled the temple. And all the congregation simultaneously arose being moved upon by an invisible power. Many began to speak in tongues and prophesy. Others saw glorious visions. And I beheld the temple was filled with angels, which fact I declared to the congregation. The people of the neighborhood came running together, hearing an unusual sound within and seeing a bright light like a pillar of fire resting upon the temple and were astonished at what was taking place. Some people recorded angels on the roof of the temple, the angels that they saw in there. Some people saw Christ himself. Some people saw, I believe Peter was mentioned as being there. Abraham, Adam was seen. There are a few individuals that we would recognize from the Scriptures. It was just a very powerful momentous occasion. And this is really the calm before the storm. Because as we noted before, maybe calm before the storm is a bad way of putting this. Almost like the eye of a hurricane. Because you had the persecution, the immense persecution that was happening in Missouri where the Lord was saying hey, how come you are not worried more about building my temple than trying to preserve your lives? And they are getting through building this temple and then when they dedicate it, all of a sudden it is just peace, rest. Nobody is trying to kill them. No one is chasing them out. They are happy. They are seeing these manifestations. It is the eye of the hurricane. And Joseph Smith makes some predictions that they are going to see worse. It is going to get worse before it gets better. And what follows the Kirtland Temple, which we probably won't talk about today, is the fallout of the Kirtland Society, the bank failing and the financial collapse that came with the apostasy of many members, including several members of the Quorum of the twelve Apostles. So it is too bad it gets to that point. But at least today we get to enjoy this peaceful, magnificent manifestation of the Spirit, this calm and the restoration of the gospel that commemorates the first temple. To start off on the temple, they call it the house of the Lord. And we see that all over the place. It is written on the building, House of the Lord. Holiness to the Lord. And what is the purpose of a house? Why do you go to someone's house? I mean, if you are going to go to your parents house, usually it is because you want to go see your parents, right? You do not typically go to somebody's house without the intention of going and seeing them, visiting them. I guess at some occasions you can be tending the house for them in their absence or doing something nice for them. But most the time the purpose of going to somebody's house is so that you can go and see them, visit with them. And that being the purpose. Verse 5 says that the purpose of the temple was that the Son of God might have a place to manifest himself to his people. So I think many times, at least in my mind, in my perspective, the temple, we think of this place to go do baptisms for the dead, or the temple is the place to go do an endowment, or the temple is a place to go, whatever, quietly reflect, go, put somebody's name in the temple to pray for somebody to go receive revelation. And all of those are great, wonderful reasons to visit the temple. But the Lord is saying here that this is his house and the purpose of it was so that he could visit people, manifest himself to his people. The people are coming ultimately to visit him. I think there is a little bit of a disconnect there for most people with the temple. And maybe if we could just shift paradigms a little bit and think about that, what Am I doing to go to the temple? Maybe some of these other things that I thought was the core reason is secondary to today. I just want to visit the Lord. I'm going to his house to go hang out with the Lord. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Can I ask a question? Please do not to throw you on the spot. [00:08:59] Speaker B: Oh, dear. [00:09:00] Speaker A: What? So then why. Why does it say on the outside of the temple, house of the Lord, holiness to the Lord? Like, why say both of those things? Like, it makes sense that it would say house of the Lord. [00:09:16] Speaker B: Why the holiness? [00:09:17] Speaker A: Do you have some insight maybe on why it would say also holiness of the Lord and where those are written on the temple? Does that have any significance either? [00:09:29] Speaker B: You know, the house of the Lord is obviously significant in saying this is his house, this is where he's going to manifest himself. And we'll see. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Is it written like. I mean, is it on, like the east side of the temple or something every time, or is it just at random? [00:09:43] Speaker B: You know, that is a good question. [00:09:46] Speaker A: I am just thinking of this as you are bringing it up because it is like, I bet you there is probably some sort of significance where these things are even written physically. [00:09:56] Speaker B: And oftentimes I am not going to say every time, but oftentimes the temple faces the east. And this idea that when Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden, they were cast out so that to go back east out of the garden so that to travel back in, they would enter from the east and travel westward. And so this idea, I mean, you kind of have dual symbolism that on one hand, Christ is supposed to come as the rising sun from the east. But on the other hand, if the temple is to return us to a paradise once lost, and if we came out of paradise traveling from the west towards the east, then our return, our restoration, and really that is what the temple is about, is this restoration is going to be traveling back in a westward direction to where we came from, back into the presence of God, from where we were ejected. But not every temple faces that direction. Sometimes it just depends on the landscape, the lay of the land and which way it can face. Timpanogos being a good example. Right. Timpanogos temple, you enter in on the western side. The Salt Lake temple faces has an eastern side, but now you come in from the north one. And now I'm not even sure which direction you're going to come from, because they've got that all stilted up. Right. So there is some symbolism, but it's not always followed. [00:11:24] Speaker A: Do you know where on the temple Though, that those things are written. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Usually it's written right there by that. The main entrance, the door, right above the door. So I want to say on the Timpanogos temple, it's actually written on the. Oh, shoot, now I'm going to be wrong. I'm going to be corrected. I want to say it's on the eastern side, but now it might be the western or. Excuse me, the. I don't know. I don't know if it's always the same side or not. [00:11:52] Speaker A: Interesting. Maybe keep going. I might look into this a little bit. I'm just wondering why the difference between house of the Lord and holiness to the Lord would be on there. [00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And House, I think, for visiting him. But this idea of holiness and holiness coming through separation. And that's something that we've talked about a little bit before when we talked about, you know, you have a courtyard for this and a courtyard for that. And this idea that as you came closer and closer and closer, it became more holy because it was more exclusionary. The holy of holies. Only the high priest could go in there on the day of atonement once a year. That is it. So it is very exclusive. And this idea that we are going to be cutting a lot of this out in this journey inwards towards the center and it becomes more and more holy because you are also, I don't necessarily want to say impurities, but there is a way of visualizing that gradation that stepping into by layering it. And I almost want to make the connection with this. And ritual purity, because ritual purity in the Bible, the idea that you can't be in the same room as a corpse or else you're unpure, you're unclean. The idea that you can't issue of blood makes you unclean. Or different things that happen, what you eat, what you do could make you ritually unclean. Isn't to say that it made you physically unclean. Isn't to say that it made you spiritually unclean. But there was a symbolism about that. Here are some lines, some guidelines that we're stating. And as you travel through those, you can go through this path of cleanliness and Christ going up to the atonement, right? Lazarus, this man that he cared so much for, was dead in the tomb and he traveled there three days later. And why is this man that he loves so much? Because, you know, maybe one of the shortest verses of all scriptures, and Jesus wept, was written in connection with the death of Lazarus, this man that he loved and if he loved him so much, why didn't he go into the tomb with him? Instead he calls out with a loud voice, lazarus, come forth. And so Lazarus comes out. And then at that point, so here is the man who was always serving everyone else, who was telling people, the least is the one that serves the most. And when he went and washed the feet of the apostles and they said, no, we need to wash. And he says, no, let this be. I am here to serve you. Yet in this case, this man that he loved, he asked someone else to roll the rock away to make room. And he had Lazarus come out. And when Lazarus came out, he had someone else unwrap the cloth from Lazarus rather than holding him, rather than touching him. Because if he was in the same room with. With the corpse, he would have been ritually unclean. If he would have touched the cloth, he would have been richly unclean. And so he's preserving this ritual purity, which has nothing to do with how clean he is, spiritually or not. But there is some symbolism in it, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Yet when he goes and gets crucified, he's completely richly dirty because he's. He's with the Gentiles, he's being scourged. So he's got issue of blood flowing from him. He's crucified between two sinners, he's spit on by Gentiles. So this idea that he was on one extreme super clean, yet on the other extreme, defiled, yet we know Christ never was defiled. And so I guess what I'm trying to say here is on the temple, when they start separating space out and saying, only the priest can come here or only the high priest can come here. It is not to say that high priests and priests are holier than us or more clean than us. As much as these gradations of separation are used to symbolize a ritual sense of purity or holiness. But we also create that feeling of holiness when we go and get a temple recommend. It is not that we do not want people to come into the temple. We would like everyone to come into the temple, but we want people to change some of the decisions that they do in their life and make some sacrifices and go without so that they are trying to create holiness, this idea of holiness to the Lord, that the temple is a place where we start to try to create that idea. We need to preserve and maintain some sense of holiness in this space. Holiness to the Lord. Let's make ourselves ritually clean. Let's maybe as we are preparing to go to the temple. What can we do to make sure our house is in order and that we have a peaceful feeling when we go there? What can we do to not fight with someone and have a good spirit when we get there? Obviously the temple recommend questions. We avoid drinking. We try to live ourselves in a better sort of way, in a sign of respect and to add a sense of holiness in what we are doing. Holiness to the Lord. [00:17:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And the way that it is phrased, holiness to the Lord kind of comes across or sounds to me like an offering. It's holiness to the Lord, like we're offering our giving up of things that would make us unclean. Right? [00:17:47] Speaker B: Yes. [00:17:47] Speaker A: Or something like that. And so maybe the idea of that this is the house of the Lord and this, even the temple itself is an offering to the Lord. It's a show of sacrifice, of tithing funds. Right. Or when we come in, enter the temple, holiness to the Lord could be our way of saying, here is our attempt at being as good as we can, I guess, or something like that. Just the way that it's phrased, it kind of jumps out to me as something that we're giving to the Lord or offering to the Lord or trying to do. [00:18:31] Speaker B: For I love it because even in Hebrew, where this is coming from, the two is just a lamed and it's two. But it also means for you could interpret it holiness for the Lord just as easily as you could holiness to the Lord. And you've mentioned this in a previous podcast, the idea that we are sacrificing our free will, our choice, our ability to choose, we are giving that to the Lord as kind of our sacrifice that we are choosing. Maybe the better part, and I love the dichotomy that we bring up from time to time where water can sometimes be representative of destructive forces or life giving forces, the waters of baptism or waters of chaos. We've gone down this road with several things, but in this idea of an offering to the Lord, on one hand you're offering your best self or you're trying to make yourself holy, on the other hand, you're also sacrificing your worst self. You're trying to cut out some of those parts maybe that you're not very happy with and you're trying to liberate yourself from some of these other things and that's part of your sacrifice. These are what we're burning off of ourselves in an attempt to be cured. [00:19:51] Speaker A: I just read that the Logan Temple only has holiness to the Lord. On it and not House of the Lord. [00:19:57] Speaker B: Interesting. [00:19:57] Speaker A: We do things different up in Logan. You know that's where I'm from, right? I don't know if I say I'm from Logan, even though now I've lived outside of Logan for. Oh, my goodness, this year will be. I will have lived outside of Logan for as long as I was living in Logan in my life. Now that's freaking me out, man. [00:20:19] Speaker B: Uh. Oh. [00:20:20] Speaker A: Can I still say I'm from Logan? [00:20:21] Speaker B: You're losing your Logan heritage. [00:20:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Anybody from Cache Valley, will you still accept me? If I will have now lived as long outside of Logan as I did inside of Logan, will you still accept me? Does anybody in Logan even listen to this podcast? Is anybody in Logan even religious? Jk, jk, jk. We do things different in Logan. It's just holiness to the Lord and Logan and not House of the Lord. Wasn't the Logan Temple, like, the third one built or something or. [00:20:53] Speaker B: It was pretty early on. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Pretty early on, right? [00:20:55] Speaker B: It absolutely was pretty early on. I'm pretty sure it was built before. [00:20:59] Speaker A: Definitely before the Salt Lake Temple. [00:21:00] Speaker B: A lot of temples were. [00:21:01] Speaker A: I'm wondering if it was before, like, the St. George Temple or something. Yeah, I would assume it was. I'm sorry. Anybody from Logan? I don't know our temple history that well, and I know that I should. I think I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was the third temple built. I'm laying. I'm putting it out there. Put it out there, and then I'm just gonna jump on Google and find out right now. All right, let's keep going. [00:21:24] Speaker B: While you're checking on that, hey, if anyone's looking for some fun ideas. I know, I know. The young men's program, it feels like it's faltered a little bit. And I say that because it feels like we've been hit kind of with the perfect storm. If you don't mind me going on a small tangent here. [00:21:42] Speaker A: No, let's do it. [00:21:45] Speaker B: We had Scouts and Scouts. You always had these activities, and the church wanted to get away from Scouts. Scouts was kind of going in a different direction, I think, in their aims and their goals and what they were doing than. Than what the church had in mind. And the church has always had a strong young men's program, young women's program, but also the church has a strong international presence. And spending all this money on Scouting, which might only be in certain regions of the world, didn't make so much sense when they had all these other people across the world that they needed to kind of embrace, reach out, and plan an activity for. So for whatever the reason, we get rid of the scouting branch or part of this youth activity. But then after that, we changed the organization. So you don't have a young men's presidency anymore at the ward level. And then you have Covid. It's like this trifecta that comes in and just kind of takes all the wind out of the sails for these activities for these youth. So one thing that I appreciate that my young men's leader did for us as we were growing up is he created a plaque for us that had a brass plate right at the top of it. So it was a wooden plaque, and on the top in the brass, it was engraved, house of the Lord. Holiness to the Lord. And then it had two columns on it. And he would take us to a different temple every month. And so it might not be practical for you if you live outside of Utah. So if you are outside of Utah listening to this, I apologize. But he would take us to a different temple each month, and we would go visit Jordan River Logan, the Manti St. George here in Utah. It is a little easier to do. But then he would get a plaque for each temple we visited and would put that plaque on there so we could kind of look at that. I don't know. It is kind of fun having these activities that were based around the temple and how the temple was something that should have been a rock or a key in our life. And he did a really good job of instilling the value of a temple, at least for me, as a youth. So if you're looking for ideas to try to revive your program, even if you can't go visit multiple temples, just getting the youth to the temple, as soon as Covid lets up a little bit seems like a good idea. [00:24:02] Speaker A: That's great. Also, the St. George Temple was third. Logan was fourth. [00:24:06] Speaker B: You were close. [00:24:07] Speaker A: I was so close. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Where's Manti in that? [00:24:10] Speaker A: Fifth, I think. Yeah, I mean, I think it was pretty early on. I mean, it looks exactly like the Logan temple, so I. I could only assume that it was right around that same time. All right, all right, let's keep going. [00:24:24] Speaker B: Okay. And I love that you brought up this idea of poverty, of sacrifice, the tithing or whatnot, because this was a huge sacrifice for the saints at this time. And the Lord, or excuse me, Joseph Smith, brings this up in his prayer, his dedicatory prayer to the Lord. He says that this temple was built on great tribulation and in our poverty. And it reminded me of the second Temple when Zerubbabel in the Old Testament, when they came back out of the Babylonian captivity, and they had to build the temple with the sword in one hand and whatever masonry work with the other hand, because they were a constant threat. And it is a very similar situation with the saints here. They did endure a lot of persecution, but it is almost as if they had forgot all the persecution when the dedication happened was how glorious it was, but it was done in a lot of sacrifice, and because of that, it made it even more special or significant. Joseph Smith really brings this point out in the dedicatory prayer and says, God, look at our sacrifice. Look what we did. At a time when we really couldn't afford to do it, yet we did it anyways because it is that important to you and because it is that important to us, and because it is that important, please make this a holy place. That does make it more sacred, I think. Like the widow's mite, right? When you got someone dropping all sorts of money in, but somebody is taking everything they have. And it just almost like how Abraham Lincoln when he was dedicating Gettysburg and says, you know what? We come here to try to dedicate it, but it is poor. We cannot dedicate it near as well as the sacrifice that went. These young men that died dedicated it far greater than our poor power to add or take away anything from this event. So the dedicatory prayer is wonderful, but almost what maybe gets missed is the sacrifice and the effort. That really was what I think made it so the spirit could be there and give that dedicatory power. Okay, next it says something that's kind of interesting. Maybe I'll hit you guys up out there listening in, wherever you are, listening to the podcast, it says that all your salutations may be in the name of the Lord, with uplifted hands unto the most high. What is that supposed to mean? All your salutations may be in the name of the Lord with uplifted hands unto the most high. I did not prepare you for this at all, Nate. Do you want to take a stab at it, or do you have any guesses? [00:27:17] Speaker A: No. [00:27:20] Speaker B: Okay, so salutations, right? Salutations are greetings, but they say that your salutations may be in the name of the Lord. So what kind of greeting do we greet in the name of the Lord? When I was first reading this years back, I would look at it and I would think the salutations, like, are you saying hi to the temple workers? Are you saying hi to the other people that are coming and going? But again, this is the house of the Lord. You are coming there specifically to say hi to the Lord. So your salutations are your coming and greeting God. When you come and greet God, it may be done in the name of the Lord. So when we pray, we pray in the name of Jesus Christ. But then there's something else here with uplifted hands. And this idea that praying with your hands lifted, it's not something common. Usually we pray, we pray with our hands folded. But when we pray in the temple, it's different. And it's not just different in the temple, but there are times in the Scriptures where you read about these prayers with uplifted hands. If you're looking for an image to depict this, you go into the pearl of great price, and you see Abraham on the altar, and he's got both of his hands lifted up over his face. And you could say, well, he's probably trying to defend himself from a guy that's about to drive a knife through him. [00:28:51] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely looks like that. [00:28:54] Speaker B: But I think in this case, he is not pushing his hands out. His hands are not facing outward. His hands are facing inward and they are uplifted in a form of prayer. Another great example of this is Moses, when Israel is going out to fight the enemy and he puts his hands up in the air. And as long as his hands are in the air, Israel is winning the war. And as soon as his hands start to droop or fall, then they start to lose the battle. So then he gets Caleb and Joshua to brace his hands up and hold his hands up in the air so that Israel can prevail. And this idea that you will win if you never stop praying, that you continually pray. So there is something significant about that. And here the salutations aren't just, you know, you are not doing the hell Hitler with the temple workers as you are walking in or out. This is specifically referring to your greeting to the Lord as you are visiting him in his house, how you should be greeting him. So I thought it was kind of an interesting detail that he includes here in the dedicatory prayer. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I wouldn't have even known where to go with that. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Hopefully I went somewhere good with that. Next, as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom. Yea, seek ye out of the best books, words of wisdom, seek ye learning even by study and also by faith. This is quoting from the earlier revelation that God gave them the importance of learning and getting educated. And he says just that preface. As all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another. And the idea of teaching being coupled with faith is something interesting for me. When you look at the lectures on faith, it says that you cannot believe in something you haven't heard of. And you read that in the New Testament, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. You can't have faith in a God you've never heard of. And that's why Adam walked in the presence of God, So he was a special witness for God. And then you have these dispensations where men would fall away, yet he would call a prophet and visit the prophet so that you could have faith again. Because you now have somebody who's seen God act as that witness and teaches them about what he sees so that now you can have faith. So knowledge is an important precursor to faith. And oftentimes we look at it as faith is an important precursor to knowledge. But you can't believe something you haven't heard. You've got to first hear about it before you can even have faith in it. So I like how they phrase that as all have not faith, seek ye diligently to teach one another. Also, you learn a lot of things by faith. And he says, teach one another words of wisdom, seek out of the best books and learn by study and also by faith. And you have this almost juxtaposition here where study might represent one thing, where faith represents another thing. And at times they seem like they're at odds with each other. The idea of almost the science, religion, conflict, and God saying it's not all about one or the other, you should be seeking from both. And it's not that they're at odds. Maybe they're two different perspectives, but they don't always have to conflict with each other. I don't know any thoughts on that, Nate? [00:32:45] Speaker A: I think that a lot of the conflict is just, I mean, as simple as it sounds, it's because it's a lack of perspective or a lack of big picture understanding, right? [00:33:01] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:33:02] Speaker A: We have such finite understanding of the universe. Right. And we, as we get older and older, I feel like it's the constant learning of everything you don't know. Right. Or the realization, not the learning of the realization of the more you learn, the more you realize how much you don't have any clue. Right. And it is interesting that so many times things that places where you could look and say that faith and science conflict with each other. If you take maybe Two steps back, perspective wise, and see the bigger picture. You go, oh my goodness. Like I was looking at both of these things with a finite misunderstanding. And so I'm just, basically, I'm echoing what you're saying and just reminding myself and might be good for us all to just always remember, like, it's hard for us not to see. We want to be able to connect all the dots, right? As human beings, especially as like hopefully serious thinking or deep thinking human beings, I think there's a desire to want to put all of the pieces together. And that's where you have a lot of conspiracy theorists that's kind of the world that they live in, right? Or, or, you know, the schizophrenic, they, they kind of live in the same space, right? And by that it's, you know, the government's out to get you. Well, of course. Of course they are. The government's not out to get you. Well, of course you would say that. You know, it's like there's an answer for everything, right? [00:35:03] Speaker B: A lot of times you, you find what you're looking for. [00:35:05] Speaker A: Well, that's, that's the point is that you, you find ways to connect every loose end to prove what you want to believe. And at a certain point, if you don't have the evidence to prove it, you use that as evidence that like, well, isn't it convenient that I don't have the evidence for that? You know what I mean? It's like, it's like there's always an answer, right? And so the conspiracy theorist can always connect these small little intellectual feedback loops, right? These small circles where that's just the scope of the universe and the magnitude of the things that we don't know is so extreme that the idea that we would ever be able to have answers for every single little thing is such a weird, arrogant, like, fantasy. And so the complexity of the idea of God and the complexity of the sciences that it feels like we're always learning something new or we're always discovering something that we were sure wasn't that way or whatever it is, right? Is that the more and more you have some perspective, you almost become at peace with the idea that I will never have all of the answers. I will never be able to connect all of the dots. I will never in this life be able to explain every little detail of faith, every explanation of something that may seem really confusing or problematic or whatever with God or religion. Just like I'll never be able to explain every detail of, like, the science behind how this universe was created or where it's going or what lives at the bottom of the, you know, various trenches in the ocean. You see, what I mean is like I can't. I've had to come to peace with the idea that like, if I'm chasing a way to tie up every single loose end so that I can have it make sense to me in my mind, I'm just going to be frustrated and there's no place for faith in that and there's no place for actual understanding. And so it's the long way of saying when there is. I feel like those conflicts of faith and science, the. Sometimes, at least for me, the best remedy is to go, I don't know. I don't know. [00:38:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I. Yeah. [00:38:07] Speaker A: And be at peace with that. That hopefully someday I will. It's not that I'm going to be lazy and not try to know, but I am going to accept humbly. My brain doesn't have the bandwidth or capacity to know everything on like the biggest of big pictures. So therefore I'm gonna just do my best and be okay with not knowing everything and not having an answer to everything. [00:38:35] Speaker B: And it's not that you're giving up, right? I mean, you, you still want to know. You'd still love. [00:38:39] Speaker A: I have such a dis. I love learning about things. I love, I love filling in details and. But the thing is, I think that the rewarding part of how I'm approaching this, at least as of late, is, is that when I don't feel like I have to force something to believe something or I don't have to have every detail that when I am giving, given some of those missing pieces, it's truly like anchor moments for me. Right. It's truly like actual faith solidifying things where you're like, okay, the fact that I didn't get that right away and I had to exercise a little bit of belief when it didn't make a lot of logical sense, when some of those missing details are than revealed or given or learned or discovered, it's so much more fulfilling and anchoring for me. [00:39:44] Speaker B: And I have to say there's a reason why you hear it so many times in the scriptures. Ask and ye shall receive. Knock and it shall be opened. Did you think to ask God and this idea that we should be seeking this knowledge? And yeah, like you say, we might not have a complete picture, we might not understand things and it is okay to not be sure about how this works or not understand how this is. We kind of shelf that idea still Anxious to know. But in the journey for learning and the journey for seeking God, we have those moments where God reveals a little bit of truth. We have those moments where God shows us something. And something maybe that we had sitting on the shelf for a while all of a sudden makes sense in a light that we couldn't understand before. And we've had these experiences or now we know things that this makes sense and we are like, oh, okay. And those moments really do. How do you call them, Mikey? Anchor moments, right? These revelations that you can kind of dip back into and say, I know God lives because he talked to me here, he talked to me there. And this is a moment that I shared with him. So it's like this invitation to come and know God. Studying, not just by faith, but by study. And it is important that we clarify. Faith has to be put in something reliable. You know, you can have faith in all sorts of things. If you have faith that I can stand on this cup and it's not going to crush underneath my weight. That's misplaced faith. That's not faith. Right. And sometimes I think people get carried away and put a little bit of faith, too much faith in some things that are common thought in the gospel, or some things that we do in tradition, or some things that have become a part of the church but aren't really a core part of that gospel or the idea that Christ came and died for us and that's where we should have our faith and that's where it should be anchored. And the others we learn are these moments to come and know God. And that's what the temple is all about, is coming and knowing God and having him revealed to us through these experiences. [00:41:56] Speaker A: Word up. [00:42:01] Speaker B: Yeah. Let us see. One other thought. After he quotes that there, he follows it up in a prayer by saying, and do thou grant, Holy Father, that all those who shall worship in this house may be taught words of wisdom out of the best books, that they may seek learning even by study and also by faith, as thou hast said. How is it possible for us to learn from the best books if those best books haven't been written? And I think a lot of books have been. God's poured his knowledge upon the world, not just the Latter Day Saints, but upon the world. I don't think it's a coincidence that Gregor Mendel in the early 1800s at the same time as Joseph Smith is becoming the father of modern genetics. I don't think it's coincidence that Charles Darwin voyaging across the HMS Beagle is making these discoveries about the Earth's history and the past, that we have these new fields, that science is making these leaps and bounds, that vaccines become a thing, that all of this invention and innovation and theories all over the world, God is pouring out his knowledge. We should seek wisdom from the best books. But I also think that some of the best books need to be written by those that are seeking the wisdom. How are we supposed to get that wisdom? How are we supposed to get that fulfillment if not talking about it, if we are not sharing those thoughts, if we are not enlightening each other? Get out there and contribute to the discussion, contribute to the dialogue. Find a way to help build faith in the world today because we know we need it. We live in a time when there is so much flooding the world and a lot of despair, a lot of anxiety, a lot of garbage. We could use some of those best books. So for what it is worth, I think some of the temple goers, if you are out there seeking knowledge, you should also be looking to see how you can contribute back too. Okay, moving down, let us see in verses, Let us see. 24, 28. We ask thee, Holy Father, to establish the people that shall worship and honorably hold a name and standing in this thy house to all generations and for eternity, that no weapon formed against them shall prosper, that he who diggeth a pit for them shall fall into the same himself. And that no combination of wickedness shall have power to rise up and prevail over thy people upon whom thy name shall be put in this house. Now it says this a couple places. This idea that you're going and receiving a name, you're receiving the Lord's name on you. And this idea of receiving this name and having the Lord's name written on you for worshiping in the temple goes back to the book of Revelation. And this idea that if you have the name of the Lord on you, the preservation, the blessings there, so there are some attachments there. I am not going to dive too much into that though. But there is also a lot of almost some pent up frustration. Like no combination of wickedness shall have power to rise up and prevail over thy people. This is your people, you put your name on it, this is yours. Own them. And how do you own them? You take care of them. If you own something, you almost think of like a toy Story. He writes Andy on their foot, right? [00:45:38] Speaker A: Like, yeah, yeah. [00:45:40] Speaker B: If God's going to put his name on us, he's not going to leave us out in the yard to get rained on and not take care of it. Like this idea of ownership and taking care of us. And he drives this through. And if any people shall rise against this people, that thine anger be kindled against them. And if they shall smite this people, thou wilt smite them. Thou wilt fight for thy people as thou didst in the day of battle. That we may be delivered from the hands of all their enemies or that they may be delivered from the hands of all the enemies. And then he says it even more specifically. We ask the Holy Father to remember those who have been driven by the inhabitants of Jackson County, Missouri, so specifically these guys from the lands of their inheritance. And break off, O Lord, this yoke of affliction that has been put upon them. O Lord, we delight not in the destruction of our fellow men. Their souls are precious before thee. Have mercy, O Lord, upon the wicked mob. That's an interesting. Have mercy on the mob who have driven thy people that they may cease. Let's see. Cease to spoil. I can't even read what I wrote here. That they may repent of their sins if repentance is to be found. So he says, if they repent, have mercy. We know that these souls are precious. But if not, don't forget what they did to us. Especially those guys in Jackson County, Missouri. [00:47:11] Speaker A: Got to get them. [00:47:12] Speaker B: That's an interesting thing to put in a dedicatory prayer to the First Temple and the dispensation. [00:47:18] Speaker A: You're making me laugh. It's killing my ribs. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Sorry. [00:47:20] Speaker A: No, it's great. Keep going. [00:47:22] Speaker B: Those punks in Jackson County, Missouri. And if they repent, you know, I get it. [00:47:27] Speaker A: They repent, okay, But. But if not, they probably won't be. [00:47:30] Speaker B: So let's just don't forget them. And I think that this is a big part of American history and church history. I think people miss out on is. You know, we had Zion's camp and it almost looked like a failure. Nothing happened. They didn't redeem Zion. And he couldn't get his 500 saints to go out and do it. The state militia failed and didn't do it. But it's not for lack of trying. Joseph Smith and the righteous there are doing everything they can. And the Lord has said, if you do everything in your power, then you can stand still with the utmost assurance to see the arm of the Lord revealed. And Joseph Smith is saying, you said it. Now, follow through. And follow through is an important thing as a parent. [00:48:15] Speaker A: It's true. If you tell your kids we Talked about this. Yeah. [00:48:19] Speaker B: You don't make promises that you're not willing to keep. [00:48:22] Speaker A: You don't make threats that you're not willing to keep. Yes, I know what you mean with promises, and I agree with you. But also, you don't make threats that you're not willing to follow through with. [00:48:33] Speaker B: Yeah. If you say, I'm going to throw that away if you don't do it. [00:48:36] Speaker A: That's right. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Then you better. You better throw it away. [00:48:39] Speaker A: And. And it's funny because as a parent, I think that we, when our kids are young, we. And I'm not going to derail this because I want to keep moving through this, but it is funny because I had to learn this the hard way with my little kids because there's a lot of things you try to say as a threat to get them to do something, and then they get old enough to look you dead in the eye and go, okay, then do it. [00:48:59] Speaker B: Yeah. They try to call you. Gosh dang it, you better not be bluffing. Because when they call your bluff. [00:49:04] Speaker A: Okay, I was bluffing. And then the thing is, it just takes away any future. Like, you know, they don't take you serious. Nope. [00:49:11] Speaker B: You lose all credibility. [00:49:12] Speaker A: That's right. [00:49:13] Speaker B: If you're not gonna follow through, then they don't take you serious. [00:49:16] Speaker A: You. You. Yeah. [00:49:18] Speaker B: And God is the ultimate parent. So is he going to follow through with Jackson County, Missouri? And he absolutely does. And that's what I think we miss in this history lesson with the infamous order number 11. And if I were to poll our audience, whoever's listening out there, how many of you have ever heard of order number 11 or even know what I'm talking about before we even dive into this? And yet this is God following through on what he said he would do. This is an answer to prayer. And this is very much tied to the dedication of the Kirtland Temple. So Joseph Smith warned, Doniphan said, that God's wrath hangs over Jackson county. And you will live to see the day when it will be visited by fire and sword. The fields and farms and houses will be destroyed, and only the chimneys will be left to mark the desolation. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Wow. [00:50:19] Speaker B: Speaking of Jackson county and when the Civil War broke out, the problem is Missouri had a lot of. And this is what ended up driving the Saints out is Missouri had a lot of slaveholders and a lot of non slave holders. And to have the Saints moving in a large populations, and they were for the majority non slave owners, the idea was going to push the state to Be a free state versus a slave state. And this upset a lot of people. And so as they're pushing for slavery and you have this non slavery, so for political reasons, they get the shove. And the state actually becomes a union state in the Civil War, a free state. Yet you have such a high slave population, if you will, a slave wanting population, that the civil War fighting this becomes the fiercest, most bloodiest, destructive battles on the west side of the Mississippi river through the civil war. And the Confederates burn two cities to the ground. And in consequence to the actions, the governor of Illinois declares order number 11, which mandates. Here's what it says. All persons living in Jackson county, all persons living in Jackson and the surrounding counties, Jackson, Cass and Bates counties, Missouri, and in that part of Vernon county, all in the military district are hereby ordered to remove from their present places of residence within 15 days from the date hereof. So just as the saints had been ordered by the mobs and given, you have to be out by this day. And the state said, yeah, you are right. Your cause is just. But you know what? We cannot help you because we do not want a civil war. Now all of a sudden, that same state is issuing an ultimatum and telling their people, you have to be out by this day. Order number 11, dated August 25, 1863, was signed by governor Ewing. And then it says there were some exceptions for people living within a mile of designated union strongholds. But for tens of thousands of others, there was no choice. Ewing sent soldiers to enforce the order, and they did so, according to one historian, with savage efficiency, joined by jayhawkers. Some historians have concluded that hundreds of men were shot as the Union cleaned out the western border of Missouri. Homes and farms were burned to keep the families from returning. [00:53:04] Speaker A: So you said the governor of Illinois, but not. Not. [00:53:08] Speaker B: I'm sorry, not Illinois. [00:53:10] Speaker A: You meant Missouri. Okay, I'm just making sure. Yeah. Thank you. I'm like, why would the governor of Illinois have anything to do with this? [00:53:15] Speaker B: But okay, I don't know where it came from. I'm sorry. Yes. [00:53:18] Speaker A: Nauvoor dude is where it came from, right? [00:53:20] Speaker B: I guess so. [00:53:21] Speaker A: All right, let's keep me straight now. I'm just making sure. Just in case somebody's listening to the radio, like, looking around. [00:53:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Please do keep me straight on this. [00:53:30] Speaker A: All right, let's keep going. [00:53:31] Speaker B: So they shot the men. They burned their houses to keep them from coming home, from coming back. They piled all of the bedding, barrels of molasses, sugar, all clothing and provisions in the yard and started A fire which destroyed everything, including the house and mill, one victim wrote. They left, taking all the horses and cattle with them, leaving a pair of old oxen and a surrey they thought useless. The exodus burned a groove in the memory of young Francis Twyman, one of the refugees, who even 50 years later, could recall the events as if they just happened. The road from Independence to Lexington was crowded with women and children. Women walking with their babies in their arms, packs on their backs, and four or five children following after them, some crying for bread, some crying to be taken back to their homes. But there were no homes left. That's terrible. [00:54:30] Speaker A: And. And. [00:54:33] Speaker B: And. [00:54:35] Speaker A: God follows through with his threats, man. [00:54:38] Speaker B: He follows through with his threats. One Union squad boasted of burning 110 homes. Many other soldiers had similar stories. Fires spread to the prairies and the woods, one historian writes. The air grew hazy with smoke. The bleak terrain would be referred to for decades as the burnt district. One woman had two cows hitched to a wagon. Inside the wagon was a very sick child. The wagon halted. The woman got out with the sick babe in her arms and seated herself under the friendly shade of a tree. It was apparent that the child was dying. There sat the mother with her child dying in her lap. Her husband had been killed. Oh, the anguish of the brokenhearted mother as she sat there with tears streaming down her pale cheeks, knowing she was powerless to save her child. And the crowd surged on. She wrote. Two years after the destruction, George Miller, a minister, returned to the area. And this is what he said he wrote. For miles and miles, we saw nothing but lone chimneys. It seemed like a vast cemetery. Not a living thing to break the silence. Man no longer existed here. You go back to what Joseph Smith said to Doniphen. God's wrath hangs over Jackson county. And you will live to see the day when it will be visited by fire and sword. The fields and farms and houses will be destroyed, and only the chimneys will be. Will be left to mark the desolation. So I do not know. I do not know how many people realize the follow through. It was there. This story ended with not good, I guess. [00:56:32] Speaker A: No, I mean, it is terrible and it is sad and. And like. I mean, people kind of get their comeuppance at some point, you know? [00:56:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And speaking of this event, I almost wanted to talk about it in a sense of. It's not that God. I mean, we talk about God doing this, God sending this, but it's not that God went through and burned all of these buildings down. It's not that God went And destroyed the houses, stole all the fields, the crops and the animals, the livestock, and forced everyone out of their homes. People did that. But God knew what was going to happen. And you have to wonder is the reason why Independence was the gathering place is because God knew what was going to happen in that area in the Civil War here. I want you to gather here. I know what is going to happen to you. In consequence of what happens to you, it is going to turn around to my glory because it's going to happen to them. And it will show that I do know, that I am mindful, that I do follow up on my words and that I do fulfill every promise, every jot and tittle of what I said. And as we talk about God fulfilling and God coming through, you know I can't help you sent me an article earlier this week and it was something that I saw in the news as well. They had been studying this near eastern city for 15 years, trying to figure out what in the world happened because they had five feet of a burn zone where this clay is just all black and burned. And they are trying to figure out what in the world happened here. Because the pottery was melting, the metal was melting. And you don't get that in a normal fire. You don't get it when war comes through. When they burned the city, you don't get it in a volcano eruption. It was a fire that was much hotter than that. So it took 15 years of gathering evidence from this, from this archaeological site, this tell out by Jordan from what happened several thousand years ago, going back into Old Testament times. And they pieced it together. It was fascinating. This asteroid, they said, came in, entered the atmosphere and exploded about two and a half miles above the city. And because it exploded two and a half miles above the city, the blast from it, they say, was a thousand times more powerful than the nuclear bomb at Hiroshima. Oh, man, a thousand times more powerful. And the temperature quickly got so hot from the explosion of this asteroid in the atmosphere two miles above the city that it lit the entire city on fire, instantaneously, just burned everything. And then a couple seconds later, that blast wave came and hit the city and just decimated it. Destroyed it. They said all 8,000 people died. And not just all 8,000 people, but all of the animals, everything in that city. Nothing survived the destruction. They kind of described this, this is potential what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah, this big blast hitting the city. And then the crazy thing is the concussion, the wave, the blast wave traveling out miles away about 14 miles away from the city that it wiped off the face of the Earth. Hit the walls at the city, Jericho, and the wind from the wave knocked the walls over, which is just like the story we hear where they are sitting there surrounding the city, blowing their trumpets, and they don't do a thing. They don't do a single thing. But all of a sudden a wave comes, knocks the walls over, and then burns the city down with no human intervention. And going back to what you were saying earlier as we were talking about. As we were talking about things that we don't understand or perspective. You know, we read some of these biblical stories and say, yeah, no, that could never have happened. But now we look at the science, actually, scientifically, what they are describing seems very accurate to what we would expect. Seems very, very much on point with what would happen in an event like this. It just took us a long time to gather the evidence to be able to piece the whole story together. [01:01:16] Speaker A: It's incredible. [01:01:17] Speaker B: Yeah, God follows through. And it made me think, you know, when Abraham saying, because going back to that per adventure, what if I find one righteous man here in the city? God knows what's going to happen. If you've got an asteroid on a collision course with Earth and it's about to burst above the city, he's like. [01:01:39] Speaker A: Okay, you do have one guy. Get him out. [01:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And it is funny. [01:01:43] Speaker A: You are right. You got one guy. [01:01:45] Speaker B: And technically God is like, if there is one righteous man in the city, sure, I will spare it. And then what does he do? He takes the one man out of the city. Everybody is out of the pool. Everybody out of the pool. Yeah. Once he pulls the righteous one out and is gone. And you look at it, how could God do something like that? It is not so much that God is doing these things. It is not so much that God made these people violent. It is not so much that God sent the asteroid to go do it. As much as God wants to protect us, to help us and. And warn us, and we talked about this in previous lessons, to go and warn the people, let them know what's going to happen and get them out or get them where they need to be, get them to listen so that this doesn't happen. And you see the story of Lot's wife and you see, man, that's unfair. He turns around and it turns into a pillar of salt. But you look at that and it says, as she looked. It's not just looked, but the Hebrew there is saying that she looked with intent, with care, like she Dwelt on it a little bit. And it says from behind him. So at this point, it is not that she was with him and turned around real quick to take a peek. It is almost this idea that she stayed behind him because, well, part of this was they had sons and they had daughters, and their daughters were married. And not only were they married, I believe. I mean, she had family aside from the daughters that were going with them, that stayed back in the city that died. And as she looks at the city, it's almost as if she's telling lot here, I'll catch up with you. I just need to take one more look. I just need to say goodbye to these people I care about or the city that I know, this life that I know. Go on without me. I'll catch up to you. And then if something like this were to happen where you have this asteroid just burst out and vaporize. It's not that God vaporized her for turning around. She didn't listen and get out of the way. And here you have this. And yet it still testifies that God is a man of his word. Every jot, every tittle, everything he says is fulfilled. And I guess that's my big takeaway from this, is because God says it's going to happen. He doesn't just say things and not let them happen. [01:04:19] Speaker A: Killer. [01:04:20] Speaker B: Kind of a long. [01:04:22] Speaker A: No, no. I mean, that's some great insight. [01:04:25] Speaker B: A long way to get around saying that. I think it is neat, the temple in 109. It focuses a lot on this message of redemption, but that's what a temple is about. And maybe not just redemption from. From Jackson county or redemption from people that are oppressing you. Maybe redemption from our own iniquity. Iniquity is not quite the word I am looking for. Addictions or sin or whatever the case may be. If we are struggling financially and we are in bondage, we are in debt and we feel that we need to be saved. I mean, the story of God and his people pulling them out of Egypt, pulling them out of slavery, delivering them from Jackson county, delivering them from wherever they may be. The point of the thing is, the temple is this place for freedom. That God can deliver us from our sins that seem to be holding us in bondage. He can deliver us from our financial bondage or deliver us from whatever kind of afflictions and trials. That's a place of refuge that we can go and feel that deliverance. I. I think that's an integral part of the temple. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Awesome. [01:05:39] Speaker B: Okay, moving. Moving on. [01:05:42] Speaker A: Let's Wrap it up. [01:05:43] Speaker B: Oh, boy. [01:05:44] Speaker A: Okay, we're right there. [01:05:45] Speaker B: We're right there. All right, I'm going to wrap this up real quick then. Two last points. First, just reading from 60 now, these words, O Lord, we have spoken before thee concerning the revelation and commandments which thou hast given unto us which are identified with the Gentiles. So everything we've said so far is regarding the Gentiles. But thou knowest that thou hast a great love for the children of Jacob who have been scattered upon the mountains for a long time in a cloudy and dark day. We therefore ask thee to have mercy upon the children of Jacob, that Jerusalem from this hour may begin to be redeemed, that the yoke of bondage may return to be broken off from the house of David, and that the children of Judah may begin to return to the lands which thou didst give to Abraham, their father. And from this point forward, the population of Jews at Jerusalem never dropped. It just builds and builds and builds. And Jerusalem as we know Israel becomes a city state with the help of Britain and the United States. The history there, we won't go into details, but in the beginning of the 1800s, there were only 2 million Jews in the world. At this time, 1836. So we go fast forward, 1880, there are 7.3 million Jews. This is the most prosperous time that the Jews have ever had, is at the time right here with the dedication of the Temple and the prayer that Joseph Smith is offering, bring these people back. And even down to today, we have not seen the kind of growth in their population that they saw from 1800 to 1880. It is just marvelous to see that fulfillment and great to see that all pull together. Last thought, though, as we are talking about this one, and this is one week after the dedicatory prayer, they gathered at the Temple to have the sacrament. They passed the sacrament. And then Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery, go to the other room, close the curtain to offer a prayer to the Lord. And the Lord visits them standing there in the Temple and accepts the Temple. And then you have Elijah and Moses and this idea of the returning of keys, what makes this so significant? This happens on Passover, Passover Sunday. And speaking of Jews and being restored, however, 2 million, 3 million Jews in the world, the religious Jews on this occasion have set an empty plate at their house as part of Passover for Elijah to come and visit them. And he did come, but not to Israel. Instead, he went to Joseph Smith, to the Kirtland Temple, to the outsiders. And here's the thing in the Old Testament, it says. Well, in the New Testament, quoting the Old Testament stories, there says there were a lot of hungry widows in Jerusalem, but to none of them did he appear, but unto the Gentile woman. And the story where he went to her and he blessed her that her mill would never fail. And so here's the thing. All of the Jews, all of the world is in this time of apostasy or famine where there is no word of God. They don't have a prophet, they don't have guidance. They are in this famine. But to all of them who are sitting there with the plate set for him to come and eat with them, to share a meal in this time of famine, to bring this light back to the earth, instead of going to the house of Israel, he goes to the Gentiles, he goes to Joseph Smith, and he brings the keys back to the widow, the Gentile woman, and shares the meal with her. And not only that, but he promises that the meal will never fail, that she will always have food. And that is the promise that with the gospel restored, the Gospel shall never again be taken from the earth. The meal will never fail. We will always have a prophet and revelation to guide us to the end of time, through this dispensation, as was the story with Elijah in the Old Testament. [01:09:57] Speaker A: It's amazing. I love it. [01:10:00] Speaker B: So that's it? That's all? [01:10:03] Speaker A: I got some great stuff tonight. Really great stuff tonight. Good work. What are we talking about next week? [01:10:09] Speaker B: Next week we are talking about doctrine and covenants 1 11, 1 14. And the subtitle there says, I will order all things for your good. [01:10:18] Speaker A: Right on. Well, until next week then. [01:10:20] Speaker B: See ya, Sam.