Exodus 18 - 20

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Speaker 1 00:02:28 Maybe you guys just recovering from that old spring break lull, coming back with a vengeance coming Speaker 2 00:02:33 Back. Speaker 1 00:02:34 Thank you guys. This week. We're talking about Exodus chapters 18 through 20. And, and before I dive into 18, something's been bothering me for a couple weeks now. Oh, when, when I talk about Moses having his hands being held up in the air, I believe I said Joshua and Caleb, cuz those were the two of, of the spies and he sends out there and, and they were loyal to Moses, but it wasn't Joshua. Aaron. It was Aaron and her Speaker 2 00:03:03 And her, her Speaker 1 00:03:04 Ben her not her not Ben her. Speaker 2 00:03:06 Oh, I about fell outta my seat. I was gonna be so stoked. Charlton Heston. Speaker 1 00:03:11 Yeah. Not Charlton Heston. He played Moses Speaker 2 00:03:14 Wait didn't Charlton Heston also played Ben Speaker 1 00:03:15 Her. Oh he also played Ben. Her. You are correct. How Speaker 2 00:03:18 Wild is that? That they, that this dude was so typecast that they're like, we just need like awesome Speaker 1 00:03:23 Strong biblical characters, Speaker 2 00:03:24 Biblical guys. You're going to be both. How confusing is that though? For people that see him only as Moses and youll, Brener rest in peace as, um, Pharaoh, because also youll Brener in the king and I must have been very confusing for a lot of people to be like, wait a minute. Why is, why is Pharaoh also, um, the king and the king and I, what a tangent there. But if you're ever not impressed by my random <laugh> pop trip movie Speaker 1 00:03:57 And you know, I movie Speaker 2 00:03:58 Pop trivia, Speaker 1 00:03:59 Keep thinking, I want to go back and watch the 10 commandments with, uh, with old Charlton. Has Speaker 2 00:04:03 I watched it again a few months ago with my kids? Believe it or not, Speaker 1 00:04:07 But I have a hard time committing to that, that long of a show. How long Speaker 2 00:04:10 Is it? It's so long. I mean it's like three hours or something. It's crazy. Speaker 1 00:04:14 I guess. I guess it's not as long as I thought if it's only three, Speaker 2 00:04:16 I mean it's so long three Speaker 1 00:04:18 Still long. Here's Speaker 2 00:04:18 The thing though. My kids thought for sure, we're gonna check out. And the fact that they were able to push through with me, I was like, this is awesome. That's Speaker 1 00:04:26 Impressive. Speaker 2 00:04:27 I'm impressed. Speaker 1 00:04:28 All right. Well with that out of the way, let's, let's take a look at Exodus chapter 18 and, and I like this chapter. That's Moses. Uh, first off you have Jeff throw coming back to Moses, bringing his wife and children with him, which I think is an interesting insight in and of itself. Moses knows he's going to Egypt to do something difficult. He's gonna be fair. Uh, squaring off with Pharaoh. It's not gonna be very safe. You have all of these plagues that are hitting the land and eventually fleeing for their lives, where they're corner with et and, and Pharaoh and all the chariots coming after him. This is war and he leaves his family safe behind. And, and I think one could look at that and say, is that a lack of faith to leave your family behind that you don't trust that God is going to deliver you. Speaker 1 00:05:16 But I, I don't think that's the case at all, knowing that he's going to be doing something difficult, that he needs his mind focused on, on the mission in front of him and the people that he's going to save. He's gonna put them somewhere where they're safe, where he doesn't have to worry about 'em. And I think there's something wise about, even though, you know, the Lord's going to take care of you, you're still not taking unnecessary risks. You're still willing to, to do your due diligence, to make your things are safe and secure on, on your side of things. Speaker 2 00:05:45 You brought up a great point just now, too. And that is just distraction, right? Like you would be really hard to stay focused on your task at hand, if you're Moses, which is the big picture, taking care of everybody, making sure everybody's making this out. If at the same time you are also noticing how stressed out your wife is or how or how maybe, uh, your kids might be in a super compromised situation. It would be hard not to go, oh, Hey, I need to go and help take care of them instead of, Hey, I'm responsible for everybody here. So I even then too, if nothing else, just to remove at least for this period of time, any unnecessary distractions. Speaker 1 00:06:26 And that's a great point, because right here, we're gonna see a transition where Moses has been the one who's going to be the father of all the people. And everybody has to bring their problems and wait in line to hear his judgment and what God thinks then. And here he is trying to be the father for everybody. And Jeff row sees this and he realizes this is gonna wear not just you out, but it's going to wear the people out. We, we need to change how this is going to happen. And you see this governance taking a shift where Moses is going to get help and the support that he needs to, where he can now turn and give attention much, probably much needed attention back to his wife and children that they're returning to him. Cuz he's gonna be calling captains of thousands of hundreds, even down to tens that these people are going to be authorized and enabled to who make decisions and judgements in the simple matters and the small things. And, and if they have a problem that they can't handle, it's gonna be brought up the chain and escalated. And, and here you really see, I, I think here the structure of, of priesthood in a sense, this authorization to represent somebody down to this smallest line to make sure that order is maintained and people are getting heard. Speaker 2 00:07:45 Can I ask you a quick question? Yeah, shoot. Um, so you just, you just said kind of the order of the priesthood were, were these lower, um, judges called and ordained or was it more of a secular election style or not, maybe not even election style, but like local, local judge principality. You know what I mean? Like, was this a, was this a religious calling or do we not have any evidence that it necessarily religious calling and maybe more of just, um, kind of what we see as like our local community, you know, um, governments and things, Speaker 1 00:08:28 You know, that's a great question. I'm glad you bring this out because I really am graying the lines by, by comparing it to the priesthood and saying this authorization to represent, right? Because Speaker 2 00:08:37 That would make a big difference. And, and Speaker 1 00:08:39 It does, this is more of a secular organization because the priesthood itself is not going to be, Speaker 2 00:08:45 Cuz it's not Levis. It's not Levis going out there exactly Being, being common judges amongst all of these different smaller groups. Speaker 1 00:08:54 But at the same time, I almost have to wonder if you don't see the shadow of ques priesthood in this. And, and the reason why I say that, uh, you're gonna get to the point where Moses is gonna call 70 elders and they're gonna have the gift of prophecy coming upon them. And I look at them and compare that almost to your core of the 70. And you're gonna get to the point point where Moses is going to have one representative from each of the 12 tribes. So you have his two counselors and you have a first presidency organization and you're gonna have 12 one representing each of the tribes and then you're gonna have the 70. And, and so this administrative, uh, body of, of judges almost almost looks like a ESIC priesthood order or the starts of one. And, and we're gonna shift focus with these people to where it's gonna be ironic priesthood where Aaron and his priest and the levies are going to be taking that, that priesthood role and running with it. And the ESIC priesthood kind of just fades. It fades off in the background of the scriptures. We don't hear much about it and, and maybe it's, maybe it's not priesthood and it's not fair to compare it to the priesthood. Maybe it's just an administrative system that they've set up in as you've put it very well secular organization in order to maintain the governance of the people, but not necessarily linked to the order of God, Speaker 2 00:10:21 Because a lot of the, a lot of the issues that people were bringing up with Moses, weren't just questions about religion. Weren't just questions about, you know, I mean, you know what I mean, doctrinal questions, the sense I get from a lot of this is the, that a lot of the questions being brought up were just dealings with each other, just like your day to day dealings. Right? Yeah. And, and I guess not that it would, wouldn't make sense to necessarily have, you know, a common edge in Israel, but again, it's like, we don't, we don't go to our bishops, hopefully for bishops out there for bishops. Like we don't go to of them if we've decided to like Sue somebody and you know what I mean? Like down the street, like we don't go to them and say, will you resolve this for us? Right? Yeah. Speaker 1 00:11:06 There can be some overlap, but most of the time, yeah, you're right. There's a big separation. Right? You you've got your legal system is Speaker 2 00:11:13 Healthy, by the way. I'm just gonna throw that out there. It's probably healthy that there's a separation between those things too. Speaker 1 00:11:19 I agree. Speaker 2 00:11:20 Okay. So anyways, Speaker 1 00:11:21 Continue. Yeah. You don't, you don't have your Bishop writing you a speeding ticket. It's not priesthood in that sense. It's a, it's a very secular order kind of setting up a governance among the people. Speaker 2 00:11:31 Do you think that, like you said, you just mentioned that it was kind of more of like ATIC set. Do you think that that's why Jeff throw specifically was, was kind of, um, important in, in giving this advice or this idea to Moses considering that this is where Moses got the Mel ke priested from? Speaker 1 00:11:49 Yeah, I think so. And I think what you see here is a very big highlight, uh, of the difference between education versus experience. Speaker 2 00:11:58 Okay. What do you mean? Speaker 1 00:11:59 I think Moses grows up in Farrow's house and, and he's educated about governance. He's educated about how, how, how to, to administer law to a group of people because that's, that's, it's fair. That's what Speaker 2 00:12:12 He's not afraid to, uh, make a decision. Speaker 1 00:12:15 Yeah. But he hasn't been in, in Farrow's seat. He hasn't ruled a people. He's he's seen it as a bystander and he's learned about it. And then when he goes with Jetro, now he's administering to livestock and, and as very different from adminis string to a group of people, sheep and people. I, I, I know a lot of times we think they're very similar <laugh>, Speaker 2 00:12:42 But maybe they are a lot of times, I don't know, continue, Speaker 1 00:12:45 But, but you don't have sheep like punching other sheep and like, Hey, he hit me or he, you know, Speaker 2 00:12:49 Yes, they don't, they don't speak. They're Speaker 1 00:12:51 Not feeling stuff from each other. And, and you don't have these, these disagreements and these problems and the complexity that he's having to deal with. He doesn't have that experience. And, and what he does have experience is, is communicating with God. He's met him in a mountain, he's talked with him in a burning Bush. He knows how to get answers. He knows how to respond to Pharaoh and come back with thing and, and to have that communication. So he is playing to his strengths by setting himself up as this judge to help the people, because that's what he knows. That's where he has his experience, but where he hasn't administered to a large group of people like this, he he's, he doesn't have the experience that put good leadership up in place and, and understand that he cannot be the bottleneck here. Speaker 2 00:13:40 Cuz at this point you just have every single person coming straight to him. It's just him for everybody. Speaker 1 00:13:48 Yeah. And, and not only, and, and I think it's wise that Jeff row points this out. Not only is this going to wear him out, sitting, listening to people's complaints all day long until the sunsets, but he, he says, this will wear out the people. What are you going to do? If you have a pressing issue and you go to talk to someone about it and you have to wait in line. I mean, this is, this is like the DMV times a thousand, right? You, you might be there not only all all day, but then have to wait the next day to go and hear this. And it's gonna be frustrating. And, and maybe even gives us a little insight to what they're going through when they're complaining about lack of bread or lack of water. So maybe some of their frustration is just, they don't have the setup to be able to have their voices heard or to be able to, to solve some of these problems. And Jetro seeing this adds, adds this administrative advice coming from, from, I would imagine experience as a leader in, among his people. Speaker 2 00:14:48 So Jetro wasn't Hebrew. Speaker 1 00:14:51 No, he was Midianite. Speaker 2 00:14:53 So it, it feels like though that he pretty much was ready to be like, I'm on the team though at this point. Right? Speaker 1 00:15:00 Well, and, and I, he gives, he gives Moses the tic priesthood. So he might even already be on the team, but he does, he does get a different, I don't know, appreciation when he comes through and he rejoices and everything that Moses is telling him about how God prospered. I, I find it key what he says to Moses when, when he says that God is greater than all of their gods. In fact, let me just, uh, let me, lemme just find this verse, cuz I think it's very powerful. What he says, verse 12, verse 11. And, and this is maybe kind of where you're coming with. Uh, maybe he's not necessarily on board, but he jumps on board with the Israelites when he says, now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods for in this thing wherein they dealt proudly. He was above them. And, and it's a profound statement because he says wherein they dealt, he's talking about the Egyptians proudly. He was above them. You look at the plagues when God is causing darkness to come over there, it's a slap in the face of, of raw. As we said this with going into the place, Speaker 2 00:16:07 He covers the sun cuz raw was the sun. God Speaker 1 00:16:10 Rob was the sun. God, what did the I say? Speaker 2 00:16:12 You did? I'm just making sure that I'm just make for, for us simpletons. <laugh> just reminding everybody when, how is the son God. And so when, when Moses covered up the sun, Speaker 1 00:16:22 Yeah, he's saying I am more powerful than raw the son, God. So we, we said this was gonna be a showdown, a battle of the gods. You know, you had your son of Rob versus your son of the unnamed God, but he is gonna systematically destroy each and every one of the Egyptian gods at their own game, you have a water, God here, we're gonna turn this water into blood. We're gonna part the sea and oh, by the way, we're gonna drown you all. Speaker 2 00:16:44 Oh my gosh. That's right. Speaker 1 00:16:45 And, and you have your, your earth gods, right? Your sky gods, we're gonna spend in the locus, the snake one and your serpent. When you have Seth, that, that controls the serpent at the end of the evening, then Moses takes, it, creates the serpent that swallows all of theirs and then takes it by the hand and controls it and saying, I, I am defeating. I am better. I am better than your version of Seth. So here you have God taking on each one of the Egyptian gods in their own arena and defeating each one of them saying, I don't need a whole Pantheon. I am, I am who I am. I am above them all. I am the great God. Speaker 2 00:17:24 And Jetro is just like, all right, I'm in Speaker 1 00:17:27 Now. I Speaker 2 00:17:27 Know. He's like, okay, that's, that's all I need to know. This Speaker 1 00:17:30 God is greater than all there gods. All right, let's go to chapter 19 here. The Lord's gonna be speaking to Moses again. And, and like you say, you know, one of the first things he does is reminds him about what he does and, and how he reminds him is kind of interesting. And verse four, you have seen what I did unto the Egyptians and how I bear you on Eagle's wings and brought you to myself. Any, any significance there about Eagle's wings? Uh, Nate, you want to add? Speaker 2 00:18:01 I, no, I have, if do you have something about Eagle's wings? Uh, Speaker 1 00:18:04 It's just, I was, I was just waiting for you to drop some sound bites. So, well Speaker 2 00:18:08 There actually, I actually did work on a tune. Um, that was, uh, a friend of mine, Ryan co-wrote with, uh, another friend of mine Spencer's called on Eagle's wings that I may actually be able to find and splice in here. And Speaker 1 00:18:22 I, I was just, I was, I was like almost almost half, not cringing, but what's the word? Wining. Hesitating. Yeah. I knew something was coming. I didn't know if it was gonna be a Lord of the rings reference or Speaker 2 00:18:33 No, the Lord of the rings reference is why didn't the Eagles just fly fro to the mountain in the first place? Like why did he have to walk all across the stuff only to get flown there at the end? Like why on earth? Didn't Gandolph just go, Hey man, I'm gonna have an Eagle. Just take you to this thing. You can just skip all of this other madness and just throw this ring away Speaker 1 00:18:50 Because look at Exodus. I mean, if we're basing this off of biblical, God, doesn't fly him on Eagles wings down into Egypt. He, he has them walk down into Egypt. Ah, true. Goes through 400 years of hell. Speaker 2 00:19:02 There you go. Speaker 1 00:19:02 And then sends the Eagles to pull 'em out. Speaker 2 00:19:04 All right, there you go. Speaker 1 00:19:05 There you go. Okay. Sorry. Speaker 2 00:19:07 There may be. There may have been a little clip in, I'm just gonna warn you right now, Jason. Oh dear. You set me up for it. You know, I'm throwing it in. Speaker 1 00:19:16 All right. So God speaks to them about wanting to prepare the people. And, and I think it's important. Uh, I, I like how he says this in verse six and he shall be unto me a kingdom of priests and holy nation. These are the word which th shall speak into the children of Israel. And when he prepares them, he tells themselves, wash yourselves, make yourselves clean, verse 10 and the Lord Senator to Moses, go into the people and sanctify them today and tomorrow and let them wash their clothes and be ready against the third day. For the third day, the Lord will come into the site of all, all the people upon Mount Sinai. And, and I like the physical preparation that is going towards the spiritual preparation. I think there's something to that when they're preparing to see the Lord, it's not just make sure that you're holy on the inside. It's also take the time to be holy in general, makes make your clothes clean. Take the time, take two days to prepare yourself so that you aren't worried about the, the distractions. I, I don't know if I, if you ever done this, where, where you're in a hurry in the morning and you run out and, and you, you don't brush your teeth and then you're embarrassed and, and you don't want to talk and have anyone smell your breath. And then you're not prepared because you're worried about how, and, and maybe Speaker 2 00:20:37 Just like every day for me, dog Speaker 1 00:20:39 <laugh> that's, maybe that's just a bad road to run down. Speaker 2 00:20:42 Oh, trust me. It is <laugh>. I can tell you, I can confirm that's a bad road to run down Speaker 1 00:20:47 <laugh> but then, but then you feel bad cuz maybe, maybe you weren't opening your mouth and talking to somebody in a way that you could have been there to help somebody or make a difference or do something. And you came off as, as, as different simply because you weren't prepared to begin with. I, I don't know. Maybe that's a terrible example, but the importance of making sure you're all prepared to go in all aspects of the word. And in here, he gives him some interesting instruction. When, when he says in verse 15, so verse 14, Moses went down from the mountain onto the people and sanctified the people and they washed their clothes. Thank goodness they washed their clothes verse 15. And he said, unto the people be ready against third day, come not at your wives. And you're like, wait a second. Okay. Be ready for the third day. Speaker 1 00:21:34 And, and here, when it says, come not to your wives in Hebrew you'll so this is something we talked about at the very beginning, when we introduced the old Testament, you'll notice that the word you are here is italicized and see if anyone remembers what that means. If it it's italicized the word isn't in the Hebrew, it's added by the translators to try to make sense of it. So in here, if you, if you look at the Hebrew, it says, come not at women. And so when they're talking about women Isha Aisha's Aisha's man Shaw's woman. And if they're saying Isha, sometimes woman is also used as wife. Your woman is your wife. So it can be translated as woman. It can be translated as wife. So for translating as wife, then it makes sense to add that your wife in. So it's a translator's interpretation of what's being said, but what Moses is really saying is don't lie with women. And so if you were to be told, Hey, God's coming. I don't want you lying with women. Is Moses saying don't commit sexual sin by lying with women that you shouldn't be lying with or is he saying don't lie with any will, including your wife and, and it's kind of up for it's up for translation. Speaker 2 00:22:56 Do we have any evidence in like culturally what this meant? Like did the Hebrew people back in these times and up until Christ time was, was there a practice that would give us any information on what they thought it meant? Speaker 1 00:23:15 You know, I, I, I don't know. I don't know that there is okay, but I would say I, I can see it as being, don't go and lie to your wife in the same senses. When you tell somebody to fast, if you're preparing for something it's like, Moses is telling the people to fast and, and instead of an appetite of food, you're talking about a different physical appetite. And in, in either sense, you're trying to say, lay aside, your physical appetites for 24 hours so that your physical self isn't so much in charge, but you're trying to sharpen your spiritual self. Maybe give yourself that spiritual edge because the Lord is coming. You're not gonna be able to see him, but you're gonna see that he is speaking with Moses. And if you want that witness, that testimony and you want this experience and you wanna be ready for that experience, sharpen your spiritual self. Just as much as you're sharpening that physical self, just as you're washing your clothes. Maybe this is God's way of saying wash yourselves on the inside. Not saying that lying with your wife is a sin, but maybe Speaker 2 00:24:22 Like, eating's not a sin. Just Speaker 1 00:24:23 Like eating's not a sin. It's important, but maybe lie your appetites to the side, just to try to give you that edge for this experience, Speaker 2 00:24:34 This coming, just always make sure that you are in control and, and discipline. And I get it. Speaker 1 00:24:40 And the Lord is, so this is very interesting because as the Lord is setting this up in getting them ready, he also establishes boundaries. And he says, I need you to put, put this, this line that the people can't cross. And, and when they put this barrier and say, you can't go past this point. He says, if anyone even reaches so much as a hand, past that point to touch the rock, kill him, which is kind of an interesting thing for God to be saying like, I don't want you coming into my presence. If you do. They, they, they, they need to die. Speaker 2 00:25:21 Especially one we're about ready to get a commandment that thou shall not kill. Speaker 1 00:25:26 Yes. Speaker 2 00:25:27 Also we're also commanded to come into God's presence. Speaker 1 00:25:31 <laugh> yeah. So why is God saying don't come under my presence and, and that's the thing, cuz cuz later we're gonna be very critical of Israel because in the very next bit, after, after they hear this voice and they see the thunder and the lightning and they see how impressive God is, they say, you know what, no, no. Speaker 2 00:25:52 Moses comes down and says, okay, now the Lord's ready for all of us to, to go into his presence. They're like, yeah, you can do that for us, Moses. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:25:58 We, we would rather stay out of the presence Speaker 2 00:26:00 Of God. Yes. So it is kind of funny. So, so why the, why the change up here just, is it a lack of prepared? Is it, is it just again discipline? What is it? Speaker 1 00:26:11 And, and I think right place right time maybe. And, and, and it's interesting, maybe you, you're talking to a large crowd of people and maybe within the crowd, you have some people that don't have respect for the sacred. It's not like everyone's gonna be pushing through, to climb into the presence of God. Sure. When you're talking to a large crowd, you might have to be addressing certain things that most people wouldn't do, but other people might have the propensity to. And you talk about the sacred, like when they build the temple, the high priest is allowed to go in the holy of Holies on the day of atonement. And that's it, the, the priests that go into the holy place and, and offer the incense and, and involved inside the temple still aren't allowed to pass that next barrier and go into the holy of Holies where God himself is supposed to be residing. Speaker 1 00:27:02 And, and then again, you have some other separations where the people can't just go into the temple and the Gentiles can't even come into certain courts. So you've got these demarcations and these separations. We're gonna talk about this in a little bit more detail as we get into the temple a little bit later this year, but God is saying, there are boundaries, go back. This isn't new, go back to the garden of Eden. And what does God do to protect the tree of life, which is in essence, an image of, of Christ or God himself access to this guy who's going to grant life. Speaker 2 00:27:38 Will he sets Acher him in the flaming sword baby Speaker 1 00:27:41 Char him in a flaming sword, Speaker 2 00:27:42 Less they less, they come close, might as well just chop off those hands or just kill Speaker 1 00:27:46 'em. And that's the thing. I, and I think that is, that is what's happening here. What happens if you reach your hand out to the tree of life and try to pluck it Speaker 2 00:27:55 At a time you're not supposed to right Speaker 1 00:27:57 At a time, you're not supposed to chair bums job is to slay you on the mark. So go back to what we've been learning this entire year. If you're trying to take a, a shortcut to get back into the presence of God, by rushing him, by going into his presence, by any other way than the path, which he has outlined for how you should approach him, it doesn't lead to life. Instead it lead to death. Speaker 2 00:28:26 There it is. Let's keep going. Okay. Speaker 1 00:28:31 Trying to think if there's anything else in that preparation there that that either of us wanted to cover. Speaker 2 00:28:37 I can't wait to talk about the 10 commandments I wanna get. I get into the meat and potatoes baby. I'm ready. Speaker 1 00:28:42 Let's go to the 10 commandments then. And, and it, I think it is worth noting here at the end of chapter 19, there's a disconnect verse 25. Um, so of 24, even let's back up and the Lord said unto him away, get the down and now shall come up thou and Aaron with the, but let not the priests and the people break through to come up unto the Lord unless he break forth upon them. So again, this worry that the people are gonna be trying to push their way where they shouldn't when in the very next chapter, we're gonna see that it's the opposite where they're saying no, no, no, no, no, we don't want to, you do this. But he tells him to go down verse 25. So Moses went down onto the people to speak under them. So if Moses is coming down outta the out and to speak unto him, that why in verse or chapter 20 verse one and God speak all these words saying, I am the Lord. Like God. Speaker 2 00:29:35 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We talked about this earlier. This, this has to be one of those situations where, where were being presented three chapters that aren't necessarily in chronological order. Yes. Because also it would make more sense by the way, too. I think that we kind of were chatting about if, if Moses now has like an extremely long wait list of people wanting to talk to him and ask him questions about the law and various things, it also would kind of make more sense if this was after the 10 commandments had been given and shown the people, because now I'm sure everybody has questions and would like details on thou shall not kill cool. So we don't get to eat anymore. Or does the only thing we get to eat now come from, you know, we miraculously in the morning as oatmeal on the ground, you know, or whatever, you know, I was like, I'm just, it's like, it would make more sense that after the law was given that there, there would be now this huge rush of people needing to ask details of some of these things. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:30:38 And you see these chapters where God gives the commandments. Not only does he reveal the commandments in, in chapter 21, which we're not gonna cover today, he, he gives more specific laws and, and he's gonna get to the part where he's gonna start talking about priests and take Aaron and his sons and, and, and put 'em by the tabernacle and Anno him and do all of these different things to make them priests. If that hasn't been revealed yet, then how do you explain verse 24 when he says away, get the down and thou shall come up thou and Aaron wi the yes. And, and these priests. Yeah, but let, not the, excuse me, Aaron wi the, but let, not the priests and the people break through. So if you don't even have priests yet, how are you saying, have the priests stay there and have Aaron come here and have, you know, so it seems like there's a little bit of a disconnect and this, this 10 commandments, the section of commandments is kind of this, this interesting section of, of law that kind of floats independent of the story. Speaker 2 00:31:36 Okay. Speaker 1 00:31:38 Let's get into it. So God spoke all these words saying, I am the Lord that God which have brought the out the land of Egypt out, um, of the house of bondage, thou shall have no other gods before me. This first commandment to me is one of the most interesting commandments in the whole set. Speaker 2 00:31:56 Okay. Speaker 1 00:31:56 He says, thou shout have no other gods. If he would've stopped their point done, shall have no other gods that would, that would make sense. I am God, there's no other God, but me, but he doesn't thou shall have no other gods before me. How is that different? Hmm. It's okay for you to have gods, but they can't be greater than me. It's kind of interesting. Speaker 2 00:32:31 It is interesting. I mean, we, a lot of people will use this as a make sure that a lot of the other things that you spend time on and, and put energy into and maybe not worship, but you know what I mean? Like even just things day to day lives and things like that, just make sure none of them, you know, uh, take priority over your religious duties. Speaker 1 00:32:58 It almost seems like God is saying, I'm not the only God, it don't have any other gods before me. And, and he goes to clarify, I mean, let's take this and stride with the next ones. They'll shout, not make unto the, any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or in the water beneath or in the water under the earth, which is kind of interesting that they're not just saying under the earth, but the water that's under the earth, anyhow, thou shall not bow down myself to them nor service serve them for I Lord that God am a jealous God visiting the, in inequity of the father, upon the children on the third and the fourth generation. Those that hate me showing mercy. Um, and, and this idea that even if you have these other gods, you can't pray to them. You can't worship them, you can't serve them. So it's not to say that there's no such thing as any other God, but as far as other gods go am the only God that you can pray to, I am the only God that you can worship. I am the only God that you can serve. And I think taking these 10 commandments in stride with Psalms section 82, when God says, I say unto you, you are God's Speaker 2 00:34:22 <affirmative>. Speaker 1 00:34:23 And this idea that, that we become like, God, that's his whole purpose, right? To try to bring us to him, to his presence, to his standing, his stature, to make us like him, but we don't take anyone else and, and worship them and pray to them, even this as great as he is. And as they're coming to him, you can't set him up to be a God before you, maybe he is like a God. Maybe he can be like a God to the people, but he's not a God that you can pray to or, or serve in the same way that you would me. So I, I think that's kind of interesting on the phrasing. Okay. He has the first full are commandments here that are clearly talking about God, and we've heard this breakdown and, and I think you have some really good insight on this, Nate, when we're talking about the first commandments deal with thou shout, love God. And then the next commandments deal with thou shout love thy neighbor. And as you're talking about these two tablets of stone that they're written on, do you wanna do you of kind of go into what you were saying, Nate? Oh yeah. Speaker 2 00:35:27 I was, I was just kind of breaking it down into the, um, you know, when, when we prepare for these things, I, I try to help as much as I possibly can so that I'm not just putting all of this on you. Um, and it's for me too, cause I just love like researching a lot of this, but in, in the old Testament specifically, I try to, you know, definitely spend, you know, a few hours really digging through a lot of, uh, Jewish commentary and like Hebrew commentary of the old Testament or, you know what I mean, just trying to see a what perspectives. Um, there are on a lot of these things from, uh, you know, a group and religion that has been diving into these for millennia. You know what I mean? Not, not just us who have been doing it for, you know, even a few hundred years. Speaker 2 00:36:14 Right. Um, and, and a, a lot of, um, the commentary kind of was revolved around that, what you just said, which is, you know, if you have two tablets, you would probably then have five commandments on each, right? Yeah. And like you said, the first four deal with the relationship of man to God and then six through 10 are man to man, right. Man's relationship to, you know, man and how five, which is honor. My father and my mother is kind of the bridge between those two. Right. It's it's the last, it's the, it's the last commandment on the side of man's relationship to God. And there's something kind of profound about that, right? That that would be, that would be the gap, but, or that would be the bridge, not the gap, but the bridge between God and man, and man, and man is honor your father and your mother. Speaker 2 00:37:16 And that, if you look at base, basically if you put the two tablets side by side, that there's really some beautiful parallels, even between, even between the, um, the commandments of, of man's relationship to God and man's relationship to man, like take, for instance, you know, the first commandment there, there shouldn't be any other gods before, or me, I'm the only one you worship, whatever. And I, on the opposite side of that, I believe six is Dous shall not kill. Right. Mm-hmm <affirmative>. Yeah. And if you look at that, you know, what, what, what does man taking life from another man in, in theory or, and in practice do, right. It's like, oh, is this man taking upon himself? What eye roll as God is like, oh, you now have the right to, to give and take life. Right. And no is the answer. Right. Speaker 2 00:38:07 And then the idea of, um, um, whatever, I mean, it basically a lot of them, you know, don't, don't, um, you know, don't bear false witness, like ties into whatever. So anyway, as I was reading through that, and again, it's something that would maybe be worth doing by the way, too, just for the listeners out there, cuz comparing the first five with the second. Yeah. And there's, there's a lot of beautiful things and, and even down to like the fifth commandment and the 10th commandment is like thou shall not covet by neighbor's wife. And the idea of honor that father and the mother is like, what does, what does the product of, you know what I mean? Um, um, an adulterous relationship lead to it's like, oh, in some cases maybe not even the knowledge of your father, you know, you know, but both your parents in there and how that even relates to the idea of them not being able to honor your father and your mother. So anyways, there's basically, there's just a lot of really, um, interesting kind of commentary from like the like Jewish commentary. But anyways, I, I just found it, I found it actually pretty profound. And again, even the, the, even the fifth commandment honor that father and I mother that that days may be long upon the land. I've always kind of wondered what that, what that meant until I became a parent. Speaker 1 00:39:27 <laugh> you know what I mean? Speaker 2 00:39:29 Can I tell you why? Speaker 1 00:39:30 Yes, please do. Speaker 2 00:39:32 Because there are so many times that I have these kids running out into the street, trying Speaker 1 00:39:38 To get themselves Speaker 2 00:39:39 Killed and I'm like, Hey stop. And they just go man there and they just keep going. Right. <laugh> and I think to myself, maybe there's something to that commandment, right? That, that the days maybe along upon the land, that's, that's kind of an interesting promise given on the back of that, right. If you will listen to and respect your parents, there is a certain level of safety that you're promised as part of that covenant, right? As part of that promise that your days may be long upon the land. I don't know. I think that there's something there and it, and it might not just be my kids trying to get ran over by cars and me yelling at them to stop. But it is funny cuz all the time I tell 'em I'm like, Hey look, when I yell, stop, you need to stop. Even if it doesn't make sense, because I can see something that you can't, I can foresee a problem that you might, it might not see in the moment. Right. And then I look back at all of the amazing advice my parents have given me over the years and I can tell you without a doubt, it has saved me from a lot of physical danger and a lot of spiritual danger. So take that for what it's Speaker 1 00:40:46 Worth. And, and what you're saying is very profound to me, there's something about this fifth commandment, because out of all 10, it is the only commandment with promise. The, the only one that promises anything in return, it doesn't say thou shout not killed that. Thou may us not be killed, Speaker 2 00:41:06 Not be killed Speaker 1 00:41:07 <laugh> which you can almost infer, right? You live by the sword, die by the sword. But it doesn't say that. So there's something special about this. And when you talk about trying to it, these commandments in half, and does this one, is it talking about honor, your father and your mother, is that talking about divine parents? Is it going on with God? I think Speaker 2 00:41:27 It does. I think it does. Like I think that's, that's why that's such an amazing commandment as the bridge, right? It Speaker 1 00:41:34 Is because, because so many times the word of God has dual meanings, this, this dual to be able to have something in the middle that can look both directions that can fit with mankind and be this, this transitionary commandment that's going to bring you into, oh, by the way, also your parents honor them on earth, but honor me as your parent, because I am the one who has created you either through Adam and Eve, the original creation or through the covenant, who's given you birth that you can live even after death, who has given you this opportunity. I, I will be the parents of this, of this covenant, of this, of this resurrection. Speaker 2 00:42:20 That's awesome. Speaker 1 00:42:21 And, and as much as parents, I would like to say, I can extend the life of my kids if they're obedient or take 'em and make 'em short. If they're not, I mean, to a sense you're right. If, if you honor your parents, chances are you're going to do better, but ultimately isn't it. God who, whose days to, to whom our days are numbered, who knows how long those days are. And, and is that not, is this not a subtle way of God saying I am your father, you have divine prayer. And if, so, this commandment right here might actually be the only scriptural, the only old Testament reference to not just a heavenly father, but also heavenly parentage, this, this heavenly mother as well. Speaker 2 00:43:10 Yep. I, I think it's important. I think it is important though, to all also though, take the Lord at his, at his word here too though, that if, if you want to live long, a good thing to do would probably be to honor your parents. And, and, and, and again, like you can look at that from a practical way or you can look at it from like, we talk about the time where sometimes wisdom to man doesn't look the same as wisdom to God, right. But if God says do this, you do it. Speaker 1 00:43:44 Well, let me even let me even take this to Isaiah 53 and what I think it means to live long. So sorry is I'm turning my, flipping my pages here at the speed of light. Speaker 2 00:43:55 No, it's great. Speaker 1 00:43:56 So Isaiah 53, when we're talking about Christ suffering on the cross and, and these, I I'm gonna come back to this over and over again this year, um, when it says verse eight for, he was taken from prison and judgment and who shall declare his generation for, he was cut off out of the land of living, right? And so who's gonna declare his seed, his generation, his posterity, because he was cut off without having any children. He, he was crucified. But when we talk about, um, verse 10 yet at please the Lord to bruise him, he has put him to grief. When thou shall make his soul, an offering for sin, he shall see his seed. He shall prolong his days. Speaker 2 00:44:47 Hmm. Speaker 1 00:44:49 And when you're talking about longing his days, I look at that as resurrection because yeah, you know, everyone is going to die, but when he takes you from the time, your time runs out and then prolongs your days, it's rising you from the dead honor, your father and your mother, your days might be long that your days might be prolonged, that you might be raised from the dead and, and made eternal. Speaker 2 00:45:20 That's awesome. I love it. Speaker 1 00:45:23 Okay. I'm trying to think anything else on the commandments you wanna hit? Speaker 2 00:45:28 Yeah, I do. Let's hear it. Um, I, I, I kind of brought this up to you before and it's something that I at least would just kind of love to get some of your thoughts on, oh dear. Um, I, uh, a lot of the Jewish commentary referred to this as a new covenant for the, for the, for the house of Israel, that's kind of an interesting word, right? A new covenant mm-hmm <affirmative> and, and we, you know, in our, you know, LDS faith, we've heard that term before, because we talk about a new and everlasting covenant all the time in, in relation to the restoration. Right. But it's interesting because this is like, if you look at it, um, historically up to this point, it is the old covenant. Right. And it's, and it's interesting, cuz a lot of the Jewish commentary w referred back to, um, the covenant with Abraham, but that's not the same as this right. Speaker 2 00:46:28 In this covenant, these 10 commandments there, we start seeing the, if you do this, you know, like you then get this right. Where, when we've talked about the covenant with God in Abraham, it was more of a, because you've been faithful, I'm just, here's a promise that I'm giving you. Right. And I'm going to give it to you in form of a covenant, right? Like I'm gonna pass through the meat, I'm gonna do thing, but, but it's more of a promise. And then it made me think, okay, well, if it wasn't that, then what covenant would it, what would that first covenant be? And I personally think that it's the covenant that God made with Adam and Eve, because there, you really do see the beginnings of, if you do this, I will in return do this. Right. And then it's interesting cuz then when you start looking at what, all of the new covenants, and even when Christ came, he didn't come to destroy the law, but he came to refine it. Speaker 2 00:47:32 He came to, by the way, simplify it and make it more based on faith and less on a rigid, easy way out, which is I can, I will tell you exactly what you have to do, how many steps you have to take. Exactly how to prepare your knows exactly how to do this. Exactly how to do this. I'm gonna get rid of some of those things and make a new covenant with you. That's actually gonna put more emphasis on your responsibility and more the, the faith and the, and the spirit of the law and less on the letter of law. And then when you look at our new and everlasting covenant, but what does, what our new and everlasting covenant teach us or cycle back to specifically when we go to the temple, what are we learning about the same it's Adam and Speaker 1 00:48:22 Eve. Yes. Speaker 2 00:48:23 It's the covenant God made with Adam and Eve. And so again, I think that, I think that when you, when you, when you look at this new covenant that even Moses was being given right from the Lord, the, the old covenant in this case, would've been, in my opinion, Adam and E not necessarily Abraham, cuz that's just a different type of a promise, right? It's not, it's not a covenant in the way that we understand the covenant. But then when you look at the covenants we make we're being taught what those new covenants are full circle, going back to what Adam and Eve were being taught. Speaker 1 00:49:02 I, I love so much what you said there. And I think there's a lot to unpack on that. I mean, I not to glance over this, but you're right. When God establishes the, a Abraham at covenant, he is not putting all of the conditions on Abraham and making him go through those cut pieces. He is putting the conditions on himself saying, I will establish you. I will take this responsibility. So I think you're right. I don't know that this necessarily harkens to the Abraham at covenant where God is saying, I am going to be responsible is my requirement. This is my duty. I love the comparison of this new covenant. Not that it's new, but it's reestablishing that first covenant that God made with Adam, this idea that, Hey Adam, you've messed up. I'm pulling you out of your situation. Just like Israel's being pulled out of bondage with, with Egypt. Speaker 1 00:49:56 I am going to give you laws that you have to live by just as God said, by the sweat of your brow. And, and I commanding you the law of sacrifice, the law of obedience. And, and with these 10 commandments, how does it end? It ends with an a Al it ends with sacrifice. And as we read here, when he talks about this, um, it, it, it says thou shall make, um, let's see, verse 24 and an altar of earth thal make unto me and they'll shout sacrifice their on, they burnt offerings unto the peace offerings by sheep, and then Oxy in all the places where I record my name, I will come onto the, and I will bless the, this idea that these commandments and this instruction is being wrapped up at the altar and commanding them to make sacrifice harks back to Adam and Eve who were commanded to make sacrifice, even though they didn't understand what it meant at the time. I love what you're saying. And I love your connection to the new and everlasting covenant. Not that it's new, but that everlasting, right. It's the very first covenant that Adam and Eve made and we're made per takers of it as well as we cover Speaker 2 00:51:10 At the altar, by the way, too, Speaker 1 00:51:11 At the altar. I, I, I love what you said there, Nate. Speaker 2 00:51:15 Thanks. I'm trying to, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, trying to occasionally come up with something where I'm piecing together things and trying to throw you something to build off of so well, and this, hopefully you can to hopefully, hopefully you're feeling it Speaker 1 00:51:29 In this week's episode, man. You've, you've been, uh, carrying the weight. Speaker 2 00:51:33 I appreciate it. Oh my pleasure. Um, so you did bring up something when we were chatting before about the altar. That again is just a quick little nugget. I think you should throw in. It's interesting about the stones though, that built the altar. Maybe let's just throw that in and then anything else you need to throw in and then let's wrap it up. Speaker 1 00:51:48 Sounds fantastic. So when they're talking about, and it is kind of interesting that he gives these commandments to them because as part of this, um, let, let's talk about the altar and then, and then maybe I'll hit one last thing real quick. When I talk about the altar, it does say, um, trying to scroll through this and make sure I find where it says it. And thou shout is verse 25. And if thou wilt make me an Al of stone, thou shout not build it of hu stone for a thou lift up the tool upon it, thou has polluted it. So this, this, this idea that the Al itself has to be made with hue stones, UN hue, meaning you can't cut it. You can't have any kind of manmade tool to shape it. It has to be a stone. That is exactly how it was in nature. The idea that God made it on, he made it, he made it perfect. And when man comes with a tool to try to improve on what God did in actuality, you, it you're, you're adding your touch, your flavor and you're, you're ruining it. It's not, I, I don't know. It kind of reminds me of that saying the, the philosophy of man mingled with scripture. Speaker 2 00:53:00 Yep. It's funny when you were literally just saying that I was like, but that's where my brain immediately went was when man tries to add its flare to something that's already correct. Speaker 1 00:53:11 Yeah. And so it's kind of interesting that God has his altar be what it's going to be. And even when you look at the ultimate sacrifice, that's coming onto the altar Christ himself is not a son of man. He is a son of God. He is, he is a perfect offering. And then they talk about neither shout thou go up by the steps unto my Al that die nakedness, be not discovered there on. And that's something we've talked about a few times that this idea of nakedness when Adam Eve were found naked in the garden and a situ that I shall not go up by steps. So what are steps if they're not again, you're hu and carving and making these out. So in one, your, your imperfection is being imposed on this. We don't want to see that. And, and two, I think for this reason, they're actually building a ramp. Speaker 1 00:54:01 And I wonder if the nakedness isn't when you have stairs coming up to the altar and you've got priests that are going to be carrying an animal, and you think about the weight and walking up these stairs, how easy could it be for them to trip on a step that your nakedness be not discovered your, your mistakes, your, your faults, embarra, your falling, your embarrassment. And, and so I like the way they use that nakedness there to kind of tie that back to that story of Adam and even help us understand what that meant when they were found naked, their, their imperfections embarrassment or, or whatnot. Speaker 2 00:54:35 That's Speaker 1 00:54:36 Awesome. So make it a ramp, make it easy. Um, I, I guess the last thing I wanted to hit here at the end of, uh, XUS 20 is when the people are terrified, uh, verse 18 and all the people saw the thundering and the lightning and the noise of the trumpets and the mountain smoking. And when the people saw it, they moved, excuse me, they removed and stood a far off Speaker 2 00:54:58 <laugh>. They were like, oh, I guess they were serious with that boundary thing. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:55:03 Let's not, let's not touch that boundary maybe I will the Speaker 2 00:55:06 Us to make sure let's just take a few steps back. Speaker 1 00:55:09 And they said unto Moses, speak that with us. And we will hear, but let not God speak with us. Speaker 2 00:55:15 There you go. Speaker 1 00:55:16 Lest we die. And Moses said, unto the people fear, not for God has come to prove you. And that his fear may be, be for your faces that you sin not. So here's what I wanted to kind of finish up on and talk about when Moses says fear not, but then in the same sentence here, he says that his fear may be upon you. So, which is it. Come unto me. Don't come unto me. Fear me. Don't fear me. And yet he's commanding it both at the same time. It's kind of an enigma. And, and that word fear, I, I find so interesting because in English it's the same. When you talk about what, what is the difference between terrible and terrific and, and they both have same root Speaker 2 00:56:10 Terror, Speaker 1 00:56:10 Terror, terrible means full of terror. Terrific means full of terror. Speaker 2 00:56:17 <laugh> that's right? Speaker 1 00:56:20 Yeah. We use them very differently. Speaker 2 00:56:21 Yeah, that's right. Speaker 1 00:56:23 What about awesome and awful. Speaker 2 00:56:26 Yeah. It's awe Speaker 1 00:56:28 Full of a, in both cases and, and this idea that we feel this way, fear is such a healthy feeling because it keeps us alive and we fear thing that can end us in this case. God, this idea that we don't, we don't want to die when we hear his voice, but yet he's also the same source of life. Yes. If you touch that rock, I'll kill you where you stand <laugh>. But I also want you to come near to me what <affirmative> come, come to me, but come to me with a healthy respect, full of a full of terror, not in the same terror, that's, that's terrible, but terrific. I, I don't know. It's and, and it, and I find it unique that in English, it's the same kind of problem that you see in this, this Hebrew, this fear fearsome, but, but also in a healthy sort of way, Speaker 2 00:57:34 Is it true that there is kind of that like, uh, fear can be translated as like respect or love? Like what, what is the, I, you know, I've heard Speaker 1 00:57:42 That, that much in English as it is in Hebrew, Speaker 2 00:57:44 I've that kind floated around a little bit, because in theory, it's like, if you could read that scripture, like don't be afraid of God and let his love go before you let his respect go before, you know what I mean? Like let his respect and love beyond you. It's like, if in theory, if it's just, if it's just a matter of translation that whole, that whole verse makes complete sense. Speaker 1 00:58:04 Yeah. Speaker 2 00:58:06 God and his love will be with you, you know, I don't know. Speaker 1 00:58:10 And that, and, and that same kind of healthy respect, knowing that it, it could go either way. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:58:18 But I'm just saying, it's like, if the, if that is true, that there is again, like, I, I, you know, sometimes you hear things floated around enough that you just accept it. I, I don't know that that is a thing or not, and I'm, I've tried to be better about just always assuming that it probably is just a cultural thing, but if, if that is a thing, then I actually think that that verse is beautiful. Right? Speaker 1 00:58:38 It is. And I think, I, I think this is Speaker 2 00:58:41 Critical. Okay. Speaker 1 00:58:43 Being able to find, uh, and a sense of wonder in the world around us, that that makes us attune to our own smallness when, when you're going into nature and you see a powerful waterfall and, and it inspires you and you know, that the forces, there are much greater than you when you look up at the stars and, and you see it expands and, and, and all you can see is just stars within our galaxy. And you know, that there's other galaxies and the greatness and the wonder and how awesome, inspiring, the sense of wonder is it tunes you into your own sense of, of smallness. And that yet God still cares about you. And, and, and as you have those moments, I think it helps keep us humble. And it ke it helps develop a healthy amount of love and respect and, and maybe helps us maybe desire to, to be a P a part of that, a piece of that, to, to understand it a little bit more and to, and to want to be plugged into that. Speaker 2 00:59:50 Can I take it one step farther, Speaker 1 00:59:51 Please? Do Speaker 2 00:59:56 I think that when you look into the universe, it's easy to feel small until you remember the, that God created that for you. Like, not just, not just for you to be a piece of, but for you. I think it's, I think it's a lot deeper than for me, at least than a healthy respect for God's power. But in those, in, in the inspiring you a verse to be able to then go, not only am I just a piece of this, but I'm the most important piece of this, to this all powerful, God, Speaker 1 01:00:38 Amazing. Speaker 2 01:00:39 What are we talking about next week? Speaker 1 01:00:42 Next week? I think we're talking about, yeah, this is 21, but I've been wrong before, Speaker 2 01:00:47 But you have, I've been wrong before, but I think it's a fair assumption this week that we're not getting thrown in any, um, special episode. So I think we're, we're, we're in Genesis, uh, or ex Genesis, Exodus 21. Did Speaker 1 01:00:59 I say Genesis too? Speaker 2 01:01:00 I don't know. We might have bolted Genesis Exodus. We're gonna, Speaker 1 01:01:02 This week. It might be a continuation of God's laws. Uh, but some of these laws get so detailed nitty gritty. I don't know if it's gonna take us down there, if we're gonna skip ahead to the temple building, cuz the temple building is at the end of excess and we also get the story of the golden calf. I know that's all coming up. So something to look forward to. Speaker 2 01:01:23 Great work this week, Jason. Um, I, um, I love doing this podcast with you, please. Everybody. If you have any questions or comments, please send them in. Um, and we love to read 'em and we'll try to do our best to answer them. And until next week, Speaker 1 01:01:36 See ya.