Episode Transcript
Speaker 1 00:00:15 Well, good week, the deep dive podcast on the add on education network podcast, where we take a look at the weekly, come follow me discussion and try to add a little insight and unique perspective. I am your host, Jason Lloyd here in the studio with my friend and the show's producer, Nate Pifer. Who, what is up Nate? It's great to be back in the studio again. It's great. Is it great to be back in the country? Again? It is. It is excellent to be back in the country. Just, uh, bless the USA baby. It's wonderful. And just a quick note for those who, who don't know, I add the opportunity to go help out with some humanitarian aid there in Romania Moldova with, with the situation and the crisis that's going on with Ukraine, wonderful opportunity, uh, glad for the opportunity to be able to help.
Speaker 1 00:01:00 And, and maybe just quick, it touched me as I attended church with a Christian group to see these small Christian communities dotted all over the place that are rising to the challenge, this, this burning light against the darkness that's trying to creep in. As they pray for peace. It was an amazing experience. Awesome. Well, I'm glad you're safe and glad you're back. Okay. You're here to add hopefully a little bit more context to not much people attempts of hosting this while you're gone. You did a great job. I was able to listen to the podcast today and Nate, thank you. I thought it was awesome. Oh, thanks. Thanks dude. Yeah, you killed it. Um, I just excited real quick. Try to bump in a few things that, that I learned to make this a kind of a bonus episode, not as media as what Nate did.
Speaker 1 00:01:49 Just, uh, just a few small fun things that, that we talked about first as I was reading that the very first verse actually stuck out to me. When, when Jacob says I hear there is corn in Egypt, why are you guys sitting around staring at each other? And I'm pretty sure he says it just like that. What are you staring at each? Other's looking at each other for, yeah. And contrast that we see this story with Laman and Lemuel and the fight too. When, when they're sitting there complaining and not doing anything to fix it where Neefa is proactive to find a solution. And, and here look at this with Joseph, when he goes to Pharaoh with the dream and says seven years of plenty, seven years of famine. And Nate, you talked about this in this episode, the site, this I progression of Joseph being able to interpret his dreams others' dreams, and then being able to, not only that, but because of that, come up with the solution or find something to do, go for it. Yes. The ability to take knowledge or take information and act on it as one step further in the development that apparently his brothers aren't at yet, as they're sitting there looking at each other and Jacob says really,
Speaker 2 00:03:04 But I think, and again, just to, just to throw this in there real quick to say, I'm actually glad you brought it up. And I don't know if I actually hammered this point home as much as I really wanted to during last week is what we get out of that is, in my opinion, is that God gives each of us gifts, right? Some of the gifts are to help us, you know, with whatever that is, uh, with our faith, with whatever that is. Um, hopefully some of those gifts are given to us to, um, you know, um, help understand other people and maybe, you know what I mean, to help maybe add perspective to some of the other people's gifts, but is the greatest gift of all of those, the gift that we all either have, or should have, or can develop. And that is applying all of those awesome insights that we have to actually go do some good in the world with it. Right. And so I think that, that at least as the lesson, I don't know if I did a good enough job of really hammering home that, of those, of those three things that Joseph, or kind of explicitly has the fact that he can confidently go and do. And, and you, you mentioned his brothers were sitting around staring at each other. It's funny because I bet you that they all were very aware that there was a problem.
Speaker 2 00:04:24 You know, I mean, I guess it doesn't take it. Doesn't take a dream to interpret that, right. Or somebody to interpret a dreams to look around and be like, oh, we don't have any food.
Speaker 1 00:04:35 Yeah, no, no dream necessary, no
Speaker 2 00:04:37 Dream necessary. Anyways.
Speaker 1 00:04:40 Uh, and I love, uh, it was a talk one of my favorite talks given by, uh, Henry be hiring a few years back when I was on a mission, he said, God sends his prepared children to, or to his prepared servants. And the idea that, that we are prepared for something, you know, to be able to contribute in some way. And we have that opportunity. And my, my opportunity might be unique or different from the opportunity you have. But as you are prepared, you will be put in a position. I think that's one of the greatest things we learned from Joseph, where he is able to literally save the world through, through being at the right place at the right time. Even though it felt like his whole life, he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Here he is in prison for nothing here. He is being sold for nothing yet. It worked out for the good to save the entire world. And
Speaker 2 00:05:38 It is
Speaker 1 00:05:39 At doctrine covenants that says it is not meat that I Lord should command you in all things. And it also says every man should be anxiously engaged. So find out what that means. And I wasn't going to go here. But now that we mentioned this, um, the Candace, the one that's, uh, the founder of Exodus organization, I was able to go out with this last week. She tells a story about going to a church in Africa and in the church, she put her chair up against the Walnut chip, the paint. And she looked at had 14 layers of paint. And this, you looked at the different layers. They were all fairly fresh, new coats, colorful or whatever. And so she asked what's, what's the deal here? Why, why do you have this? And they're like, oh, they had 14 youth groups that year come and volunteer to paint the church.
Speaker 1 00:06:29 And, and the, the community didn't need a fresh coat of paint 14 times in the same year. Right? And so she's there and she finds out what they need. They needed a well, that was dug to him. And he tells the story of maybe you got to go dig the well. And as we went up to the border and Surette, we went to go help out. And it was like an expo. There was booth after booth, after booth of people there with water bottle and prepared to help and to serve, sitting around doing nothing because the refugees, as they come in, they're coming in and vehicles, they're coming in on buses, they're passing the border. They're not stopping they're going in. And there wasn't much use at, at that place. We look at it, we've taken assessment and this is not where we're needed. Let's go find out and plug in where we are and don't stand around.
Speaker 1 00:07:18 Like these brothers looking at each other, saying, what now use your capacities. And as you are prepared, God will find a way to plug you in, in a meaningful way. That's, that's all I wanted to say on that. I love it. But what about this goblet? The goblet? Um, I think he did a pretty good job of covering that Nate and I, and I think we look at the Bible and we see this, this, this story of this cop, and it plays a role. You have the cup bearer in prison who gets lifted up. You have this cup that, that he stills. You have this idea of this cup in, in later mythology with the holy grill, tied to that. And, and the, and the last supper in this cup and the Christ, this bitter cup that he doesn't want to take. There's something there.
Speaker 1 00:08:03 And when the cup ends up in Benjamin's bag, as, as he set this whole test up for his brothers to see where they really were at, if they deserve forgiveness or condemnation standing as this judge, right? This not any cup, it's not Benjamin's cup. It's specifically Joseph's cup. And Joseph does something interesting. If I could just add one little touch on where you went with this Joseph taps, the side of his cup to, to discern what the order of his, his brothers should sit at the table. He doesn't need to do that. He's their brother. He knows the order, but he's keeping up appearances in Egyptian culture. They had these dividing cups that these that's what you could do. You could tap on it, hear the sounds, look into it and supposedly communicate with the divine to get something almost how we look at a Yurman thumb today in our society. And Joseph having interpreted dreams is viewed as someone who is connected to the divine, and it's not unusual. And here he is using an Egyptian image and keeping up a Gypson perception by tapping on the cup. And it's almost kind of deceptive because he's, he's not using the cup, but, but he's kind of masking it that way. And where I think this sets us up. If I just add one last thing to this is when Moses comes in and we read about these plagues. We'll talk about this later on in the year, obviously
Speaker 2 00:09:37 Soon,
Speaker 1 00:09:38 Soon, very soon he is, he is beating them at their own game. He is taking their miracles from Egyptian history and he is finding a way to improve on them and saying that this was God. So for Joseph, for all intents and purposes, they're looking at them tapping on the cup and they have their assumption. But internally Joseph knows that it was God that delivered him to the Ishmaelites to later the Egyptians later to prison later to Pharaoh's court. This whole thing, it's not about some magic cup. It's, it's about a faith in God who took him the path he needed to go to get where he needed to be
Speaker 2 00:10:19 Killer. Um, let's keep going. Renting, renting, renting, renting, renting, renting, ripping, renting. Not really pensive about
Speaker 1 00:10:31 Leasing.
Speaker 2 00:10:32 Oh yeah. Not leasing.
Speaker 1 00:10:34 I think of the garments. This is something that shows up all throughout the Bible. And so we'll, we'll, we'll see it over and over again. And we kind of gave you an opportunity to think about this when we're talking about Joseph's coat being rent, and then later, um, when, when Potiphar's wife grabs his coat and tears it from him, just the, this idea of being uncovered. And I want to just add my, my perspective on this. As I look at it, if, if the garment is symbolic of a Toman, and if you see that in the new Testament, when he says, we pray that we may be clothed upon with immortality and eternal life, you look at this in the old Testament with Adam and Eve, when God makes cuts coats of skin and covers them. And, and again, that, that word for cover Kfar means, uh, tones for them by covering their nakedness.
Speaker 1 00:11:24 Well, when God is upset with Israel, he says, he will discover her nakedness. When Adam and Eve partake of the fruit, they are found naked and they hide themselves because they're ashamed. So if you have a covering or clothing as a, as a symbol of atonement, a covering of your hiding your sins and that case, I look at it as the rendering of the garments as a plea for a Toman and a confession, uh, uh, I desperately need to be covered. I am uncovered. I am vulnerable. I am in a bad position. Joseph's garments are rent as he is thrown into the pit,
Speaker 2 00:12:02 But twice not, not by himself.
Speaker 1 00:12:05 Yes. And, and I think that's an important detail because sometimes we find ourselves needing a savior because of what we have done to ourselves. And you see that when they ran their garments and say, I admit I am vulnerable,
Speaker 2 00:12:20 Which we'll get to in a minute, keep going.
Speaker 1 00:12:23 But sometimes we need a savior because of what others have done to us because of, of, of circumstances outside of our control. And not every bad thing that happens to us is because we screwed up. I mean, you look at the brothers and they say these weird, bad things are happening, because what we did to Joseph, they have the guilty conscious. You have that on one side where they rent their cart, their garments.
Speaker 2 00:12:49 Yes. So, so specifically, cause I think there's important. We kind of talked about the redemption arc, um, on the last episode too. And that's why I'm really glad we're talking about this, because again, remember the, the, their whole story with Joseph started with them taking his beautiful coat, renting it and then, and then putting blood on it, right. To try to basically deceive it's like the whole thing was deception, right? Yes. Um, and they take it back. And again, obviously you have a lot of the symbolisms with, with the, with the blood and, and various things like that. But it almost is a really kind of beautiful part of their redemption arc too, is when the guards come and find the cup in Benjamin's bag, it's like, it's almost like throwing back to it when they then themselves rent their own clothing. You know what I mean? It's, it's, it's like, it's very much kind of coming full circle a little bit. I love it. And I think it's a really, I think it's a really kind of important piece of the, of their story as well, right. Their redemption arc and an almost them, them admitting, like you just said, we now desperately need physically a savior as well as, you know, spiritually as well. We
Speaker 1 00:14:07 Are naked. We are.
Speaker 2 00:14:10 And at your mercy really too. You know what I mean? To again, in this case, Joseph, who really does have control over their life or death and of their family's life or death too. Right. And they're almost like uncovered in naked before him now really just completely relying on his mercy
Speaker 1 00:14:31 And, and talking about this idea of being vulnerable, naked or exposed was what you hit on at the very end of the episode. Last time when you see it, when God speaks to Jacob and, and it's happened a lot this year, we haven't even touched on it really too much, but his response is Hineni or, uh, here am I? And the word for here, as you said, hin a and Hebrew means behold, look, look at me this idea that, uh, here am I, I am exposed almost like this renting of the garments. You're not covering anything. I'm not trying to hide anything. I am here before you look upon me, look upon all of me here am I
Speaker 2 00:15:22 It's interesting. And again, I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but when you bring that up, I all throughout the, all throughout the book of Mormon, you, you read a lot of the things that I have both seen and heard, right? Like the prophets are always talking about, they're keeping a record of the things that they've both seen and heard. And it's interesting too. Then when you look back at Adam and when he was offering sacrifices and pleading with God, what was he saying here? The words of my mouth. And then, and then again, like, and then the other side of that is, and behold me, see, see my nakedness and help give me the covering. It's interesting that those are the two, those, the, those two things are kind of, they always are kind of backed or associated with each other. They always kind of go hand in hand behold me and hear me. It's interesting.
Speaker 1 00:16:18 Yeah. And I love the accountability that that brings, like, you're not trying to hide your sins. You're not trying to run from who you are. You're trying to fix who you are and you're trying to fix what you've gone through. And
Speaker 2 00:16:31 By two things, by the words that we say and the things that we do
Speaker 1 00:16:35 Interesting, and also from two things, because there are instances and which we are either an unwilling participant or by no fault of our own, this has happened. And we need saving like, like victims.
Speaker 2 00:16:49 Yes. Where,
Speaker 1 00:16:50 Where they don't want to be blaming themselves. But at the same time, it's hard. Or maybe they feel guilty or maybe just completely ashamed. They are stripped naked like Joseph from no fault of their own. They're dealing with this sticky, ugly, messy situation. And they feel naked and ashamed and exposed. And they need that redemption that as opposed to also these brothers who are renting their clothes. And I look at these two different redemptive arcs, we all experience both, uh, whether it's just death, the fact that we all are born to die and we require saving from that death. And there are instances where we need God's help. Not because we did anything in particular, but because we need God. And I look at that, that death and hell physical, or, or this inadvertent versus that spiritual, that, that baby can be damning us to hell that we need that, that redemptive quality for things that we do, that we merit that hell.
Speaker 2 00:17:53 It's awesome.
Speaker 1 00:17:55 And, and w as we were talking about this before, Nate, I thought you had some profound insight. You asked me what I thought about the rending of the veil in, in this case. And I, I didn't make the connection as I was looking at this, the veil for me is this, there's this covering that PR that keeps us from God. And the rendering of it is what allows us access to God. But, but I think, uh, I think if you don't mind, you had some excellent insight that maybe helps us see this from a better perspective.
Speaker 2 00:18:24 And again, like, please jump in, jump in. If I start just going totally Australia on this. Cause I would hate for that to happen,
Speaker 1 00:18:33 Give yourself more credit.
Speaker 2 00:18:34 But, uh, as we've been talking about this and we've been talking about this intimate relationship and, and almost this marriage relationship with, with Christ and his church or with God and his people in this covenant, um, it's it. I just, man, I just started seeing so many more really kind of like intimate symbolisms of even, um, the idea of the, the, the bill of the tempo, the temple and, and how, when we read about the temple and we're told that our bodies are temples or when, or, or, um, they represent more than just a building. Right. Um, and, and as we, as we've been kind of talking about this, it was just so interesting to think like, oh, um, construct the construction wise, you know, when we are going through an endowment process or whatever. And again, I don't want to get into too many details, but, but what, what an, what an amazing representation of even the garments that we were on our body and kind of like the, again, the intimate nature of this idea that when found worthy, we are found worthy to basically go to the other side of that garment and truly like, you know, enter into the presence of God, into the most beautiful, sacred, you know, like blissful, you know, the symbolic place and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 00:19:56 And it's just, oh, that, that just kind of hammers home, a lot of the ideas of, of this, of this truly intimate relationship that we should be having with, with God and that he does have with his church. And, and, uh, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I w when we were talking outside of that week, it was even more, I don't know, not graphic or intimate, but I, I want to be just careful that I don't, I'm not saying anything too much.
Speaker 1 00:20:23 Yeah. And, and there's a sacredness to it. And, and part of that sacredness, the intimacy is that it is somewhat shrouded. And being able to, to talk about that in an appropriate context and understand it with a mature understanding is it's a beautiful thing, the relationship that we have with God, and maybe we'll get more into this. Even when we in, in the come me, the church skips over the book of song of Solomon and, and according to the, the Jewish rabbis, when they were discussing what books to even include in the old Testament, they were arguing for a while. And finally, a rabbi stands up and said, enough enough, we can all agree. That song of Solomon's is the most important book in the Bible. Let's start with where we have common ground and agreeance. And you're like, really, that's what they thought. But in context of this relationship with God, and an understanding that Jada meaning to know, you know, someone sexually, but also this idea of a covenant that it's a covenant relationship.
Speaker 1 00:21:24 It's more than that. And we have this relationship with God. I think maybe we take some time and in a bonus episode, down the road later, and talk about that book, even though it's not part of come follow me, because it is part of the old Testament. And I think understanding in this context, as we've been talking about the, the renting of the clothes, the veil, and what it means to have that relationship with God, I think it gives intimacy its due respect and proper perspective and understanding that it is something that is very sacred, very special. And there is a lot of beauty about it and it is very much tied to, to God and our relationship with him.
Speaker 2 00:22:04 And again, even though you can take so many of these things and look at them solely, like you said, kind of on a basically it, it through kind of like, like a sexual filter, the idea is, is that, is that intimacy is so much more than that. Right? And that, that's why, that's why, again, it's like, even though, even though they're talked about an end and we use a lot of terms that could, you know, have very kind of basic sexual overtones or, or meanings that think of though of the, the deep love and connection that God is basically saying, I want to, I want you to understand how, how deeply I care about you and love you and, and want you to return to me. I I'm, I'm explaining that, you know, as God I'm explaining that through things that, that hopefully you can understand, you know, I, I'm trying to use language that hopefully you can realize and make connections to, to help you understand better something that it's hard for us.
Speaker 2 00:23:13 And I don't think we can fully know with our imperfect mortal minds, right. Is how deep God's love truly is for us. And a lot of these symbolisms are probably just to do it is to take the things that we consider so intimate and sacred and special and, and you know what I mean, and amazing and trying to go, okay, see, take these things. And it's even more than that, you know, like it's even more amazing than that, but these are maybe some ways that I can, at least these are some connections that I can at least help, maybe you make so that you can make deeper connections with, with what I'm trying to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:23:55 Yeah. Take the greatest relationship you can think of and what that means to you and how important and powerful and special that is and understand that my relationship with you is even more profound than
Speaker 2 00:24:05 That. Exactly. Right.
Speaker 1 00:24:07 I love it. Awesome. And, and we're, we're kind of getting to the end of this episode before we finish, though, I want to talk about, uh, asinof where she comes from. Cause I think it's a pretty,
Speaker 2 00:24:17 Uh, Joseph's Joseph's
Speaker 1 00:24:19 Wife, Joseph's wife, because you look at it and say, if it was such a big deal for Abraham to get a wife, not from the Canaanites and then Isaac and Jacob, and this big deal about where they get their wives. And now all of a sudden you settled Joseph with an Egyptian wife. It doesn't, it doesn't seem to fit with what we've been reading at the Bible. Uh, so there's been a lot of work done and a Utah genealogical magazine. They talk about her background and, and I'm just going to kind of summarize it. Um, let's uh, maybe just read one or two quotes from this quote, from the ancient histories of the Chinese, which go back to the time of Noah. We find that sham left Babylon around BC 2204 and went into Egypt and was believed to be the builder under divine guidance of the great pyramid. His arrival in Egypt was the hook sauce or shepherd king invasion. Uh, and I know we say Hicks sauce in here in this quote. It says also don't don't don't give me grief on that.
Speaker 2 00:25:16 I'm sure everybody listening was like, what, what? Oh, okay. Okay. Cause everybody knows what the Hicks offices.
Speaker 1 00:25:22 All right. I'll keep going.
Speaker 2 00:25:23 I mean, I only do, because I studied my, I studied the podcast and I was like, oh, that's part of this, I guess, but anyways, keep going. So the only reason I would ever, I don't even know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 00:25:34 All right. So according to this Chinese history, the hook sauce or the shepherd king invasion of the country, a sham after building the pyramid left Egypt with some 240,000 of his people proceeded to Judea where he built Jerusalem. So when they talk about sham, they're not saying sham himself, but that Chinese history, it's the line of sham. Shams descendants went in and ended this. And there is some interaction helps us maybe understand the context of Joseph, but we don't have time to get into that. Um, the sons of Shem eventually ruled as priest Kings at Heliopolis or on the city of sham. Quarrels broke out between the brothers. One founded the dynasty at Memphis and the other two went south and founded the dynasties of copies and elephant team. These Kings reigning simultaneously were celebrated Hicks, seas or shepherd Kings. All of the shame might descent quite a different race from the native .
Speaker 1 00:26:23 They worshiped one God under the name of rah or Cyrus or shim, the name of each applying to the same God. Their high priest were in variable princes of the blood Royal and pot of Ferrara. The father of ASCE enough must therefore have been a prince. So according to this, and according to a extra biblical sources, actually there was a line of sham that had established themselves and Memphis and other Egyptian cities that they were priests that had priesthood. And from this, Joseph is taking a wife, asked enough as a descendant of a priest in, in one of these Shemmai cities. So he is marrying from sham, not from Canaan. And, and part of the reason why this becomes so important is you look, it's going to play out because Moses later on, when he goes to liberate the people out of Egypt, he does not inherit the priesthood from his father or his father's fathers or that line.
Speaker 1 00:27:25 He actually receives it from Jethro, an outsider, another prince who is presiding over people. I say, prince, another priest, a high, a high priest, and this is mill Catholic priesthood. So you have these groups of people external to Israel, themselves, that they have a higher priesthood. Abraham also does not receive the priesthood from his dad, but actually milk has that himself gives him this milk, hesitant priesthood. So I look at these stories and I see the story of Israel. Who's later going to come into where they have this ironic priesthood and the Levitical order, but outside of them, even Lehigh as he leaves Jerusalem. And what you see with the priest society set up there in the book of Mormon is going to be Mel Catholic priesthood. It's almost something setting up the stage, the outside of Israel. You do have another people that this Gentile, if you will, the outsider, that's going to be possessing a male Catholic priesthood, uh, parallel to these, these Israelites that, that possess this ironic priesthood. I it's kind of some, some beautiful imagery, but explains a little bit about where comes from in the Bible.
Speaker 2 00:28:41 Last thing real quick, just, just kind of an interesting thing that, um, kind of was picked up on and that you highlighted was, um, it is interesting how Judah kind of starts taking over a lot of the, um, I dunno, not duties necessarily, but a lot of the privileges and duties of the firstborn and when the blessings are given, um, he actually kind of jumps three of his brothers, um, to, uh, Ruben, Simeon and Levi. Uh, they're all kind of like, uh, they're all kind of given, not a curse, but like, uh, uh, you're not getting much you guys. Yeah. You guys are knuckleheads and Judah, and, and as we kind of talked about, like Judah even says specifically in the language, which you pointed out is that was, I think pretty profound and interesting. Um, I mean specifically in, in 43, 42 or 43, when he says, I need to take Benjamin back, what is it? He tells Jacob specifically,
Speaker 1 00:29:50 If I can't return with Benjamin, it will be on me and I'm on my family. And maybe I should read that. So I'm not just, sorry, I got it right here. Genesis 43 and I'm eight, nine. And I will be sure to, before him of my hand shut, they'll require him of my hand. If I bring him not onto the, and set him before the, let me bear the blame forever.
Speaker 2 00:30:20 So it is interesting because in this case, he is the one that basically offers himself to Joseph when they do get back and everything's gone down with Benjamin, he says, look, I'll be the, I'll be your servant. Um, and, and steps up to the plate truly. Right. And because of that, and I think that this is important because, because of him actually being willing to recognize and see his chance to, to pay off that commitment to his dad of the tribes, it's his end, Joseph's that make it right? That don't get like lost or in some cases like we've talked about with Levi, um, completely taken from them, right? Like they're their nations and up, not even, they don't even end up with a nation,
Speaker 1 00:31:06 The two strongest, he had Levi it rather than inheriting their own nation. They are the priests that are scattered among all of the other nations. They're the one tribe that has sacrificed if you will. So you don't have to sacrifice the first born son.
Speaker 2 00:31:18 So it's interesting because then you pointed out when that same language was used later by Judah or the house of Judah, do you want to, do you want to touch on that real quick? So I don't butcher it
Speaker 1 00:31:31 When you, when you're, are you talking about when Christ is offered as a not offered, but
Speaker 2 00:31:36 Yes. When, when, when basically it, cause it was to pilot, right? That the,
Speaker 1 00:31:39 Yeah, Pontius pilot was saying, what shall we do with them? I find no fault in him and, and willing to let him go. And, and the ha the Jews, right? We're talking to you about the house of Judah cries out and says, let it be on us,
Speaker 2 00:31:55 Us and our generation and
Speaker 1 00:31:57 Our posterity, let us be accountable for, and Pontius washes his hands and saying, we are not accountable for what's going to happen because you're taking this on, on your shoulders. It's interesting. The,
Speaker 2 00:32:08 That the same language is used in two very, very different situations. And in this situation,
Speaker 1 00:32:13 One owning the savior, the other rejecting
Speaker 2 00:32:16 That's exactly right. And, and in the first case, Judah really coming, coming forward and stepping up to the plate and almost again, accepting the responsibility of, of the oldest, the most responsible and whatever. And because of that, in that first case, being blessed with a great nation, right. And in this case with the, the, the savior, they say the same thing and then do wickedly with that. Right. And it's not like we haven't talked about everything that the Jews have had to, you know, deal with since then. Right. And, and all of just the, the tragedy and, and, and all of the hardships, you know, they've had to deal with since then. Oh, I guess I think it's just interesting. And maybe something worth pointing out.
Speaker 1 00:33:09 I like it. All right. We're about to wrap up. Um, I do have to apologize, uh, they misspoke, but it wasn't his fault. It was mine. When, when he said that he went to Beersheba, Jacob on his way back and had that vision, that kind of help him stand. That was my fault. Um, it, cause he said that the same as Jacob's ladder Jacob's ladder happens in Bethel.
Speaker 2 00:33:33 Yep. And
Speaker 1 00:33:34 On the phone call, as we were talking, and I got mixed up where he's staying, that he's coming from to Bethel, I'm thinking, oh, they're the same place. But similar Sheba is also a place where Abraham has a vision and makes covenant and builds an altar is very sacred, but it is separate from, from Bethel and the place where he has that, that, that the vision of the temple, if you will, that the house of God Bethel
Speaker 2 00:33:59 Came, I'm glad you corrected that. Thank you.
Speaker 1 00:34:01 Let's wrap up this episode maybe with a quick, so what, uh, just my takeaway from this, as you look at Joseph being bounced, bounced around in every situation possible is sometimes it feels like you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. Uh, I am reminded of elder Irene's talk. He gave, uh, maybe, I don't know, 15 years ago where he said the Lord sends his prepared children to his prepared servants and prepared can have all sorts of different meanings. We are who we are for a reason and where we are for a reason and find a place, maybe stop staring around at each other, but find a place or way a meaning to where we can be anxiously engaged and make the most of those opportunities. If we want to, the Lord will find a way to use us that he can help something so powerful about this story of Joseph is the idea that in the end it's made right then that's what we expect from God is that he will make it right.
Speaker 1 00:34:55 And he asked the question, why do bad things happen to good people? But in the end, the Lord turns it for his purpose. And if we want to do God's work or being engaged, the work of God is writing the wrongs clothing, the exposed, the naked. And if we want to participate in that, find a way that we can be engaged and help others find that that closure, that help, uh, take, take opportunity. As, as I was seeing this bright light from these Christian churches in the face of darkness and war and, and just the awful things that I'll tell you, I saw, uh, on, on the Ukrainian border, the men aren't allowed to leave and they would drive up to the border with their wives and their children. And you look into the eyes of their wives and see the sadness, knowing that they have to say goodbye to their husband and come over and try to figure out how to raise a family where they don't have home.
Speaker 1 00:35:55 They don't know where they're going. They don't have, they don't have work. They don't know if they'll ever see their husband again. And, and the kids, they don't get it. They're, they're going and grabbing their chocolate milk or hanging out and, you know, teasing each other as brothers do. But you see it in the eyes of the mom and you see it in the eyes of the dad. They, they didn't, they didn't do anything to, to deserve this like Joseph. And there's plenty of opportunity in the world and to see people rise up and be that light and do God's work to offer something, to make things better. That's my takeaway from, from looking at Joseph, his willingness to forgive everyone else and bring light to a world that was otherwise condemned.
Speaker 2 00:36:41 Amen brother. Okay. Let's wrap it up. All right. Um, for our, for our music, um, little outro, we're actually going to kind of let it play. Um, Jason, do you want to just very, very, very quickly tell them what we're going to be listening to.
Speaker 1 00:36:55 Yeah. So Sunday as I attended a small Christian Church, there, there was not 20 people in that room. And as they sang hymns, um, as pleading for peace in, in this war torn world, that it touched my heart to hear their songs. I could just imagine God looking at a world of wickedness and yet hearing the song of these saints uniting in him. And, and as that touched me, it's something I wanted to share with you guys to, to listen to. They're sincere, there's, they're sincere singing.
Speaker 2 00:37:27 Okay. So that's what we're going to listen to, um, as our little out-tro bump. And then, um, we're going to be getting back together here in a few days to, um, get next week's, uh, come follow me, listen in. Um, but appreciate you guys listening and, um, hopefully you enjoy, um, this little, this little, uh, musical outro.
Speaker 3 00:37:55 Um, yeah. .
