D&C 58 - 59 (2020 repost)

[00:00:18] Speaker A: Hey, Jason, how are you doing, buddy? [00:00:23] Speaker B: Fantastic. How you doing, Nate? [00:00:25] Speaker A: I mean, cool. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Great. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Do you want to lead us into this bad boy? [00:00:29] Speaker B: You know, I just figured if I waited long enough, maybe. Maybe it would just happen on its own. [00:00:33] Speaker A: I mean, it might happen on its own. [00:00:35] Speaker B: Welcome to the weekly Deep Dive podcast on the Add on Education Network. The podcast where we explore the weekly. Come follow me discussions and try to add a little insight and unique perspective. I am your host, Jason Lloyd. Here with me in the studio, my friend and this show's producer, Nate the Great Piper. [00:00:52] Speaker A: Nate the Great Piper. What is up? Me. That's me. Nate the Piper. Great. [00:00:57] Speaker B: It's good to be back. It's good to be back here in the studio. Nate, how are you doing? [00:01:00] Speaker A: You got to have a strict, strict one strike policy, Jason. [00:01:04] Speaker B: One strike policy on social media. [00:01:07] Speaker A: If anybody uses the term wifey or hubby, you have to block them, unfriend them, and report them to the CIA or whatever counterterrorism organization that you can the number for. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that kind of language just begets blocking. [00:01:25] Speaker A: That begats all kinds of blocking. [00:01:28] Speaker B: All right, I don't know what kind of social media adventures you're having. [00:01:32] Speaker A: I just. Stop using wifey. Please stop calling. Stop calling your husband, the man that you love and respect. Hubby, that's not a respectful thing. Stop it. But what are we going to learn about today? [00:01:49] Speaker B: Who knows? Who knows? [00:01:50] Speaker A: This is great. [00:01:52] Speaker B: It gets better. [00:01:52] Speaker A: No, it doesn't. It doesn't get better. Don't tell them it gets better. Be honest with him. [00:01:57] Speaker B: We're diving into doctrine covenants, sections 58, mostly just 58. Let's be honest. I don't know. [00:02:03] Speaker A: See, that's what I'm saying. Now we're just being honest with everybody. I like this. I like how this has started so far. A lot of honesty. [00:02:10] Speaker B: And I really appreciate the way the Lord starts this. He says something here that I feel is very unique to him. You know, back in our first episode we did, we talked about the Janus parallel and how the Lord uses language and Hebrew parallels poetry in a unique way that kind of expresses who he is that you wouldn't credit to Joseph Smith. And this isn't quite a Janus parallel, but it's very similar. And to me, it's almost his signature again, it gives me an appreciation for the book of Doctrine and Covenants as truly the words of Jesus Christ. So here it is, says, for verily I say unto you, blessed is he that keepeth my commandments, whether in life or in Death. So in this simple phrase right here, you've got a little ambiguity. When he says, if he keepeth my commandments, whether in life or in death, is he saying, is it? Well, here is the question I have. First he says, blessed is he that keepeth my commandments, whether in life or in death. Is he saying, you are going to be blessed for keeping my commandments? If not in this life, then surely after you die, you are going to be rewarded for being righteous. [00:03:30] Speaker A: That would make more sense, right? [00:03:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds right. It fits. So that is one way of interpreting it. Kind of like the Janus parallel. You can see this two ways. So blessed is he that keepeth it, whether he's blessed in this life or whether he's blessed in death. He's blessed for keeping the commandments, or is he saying, he that keepeth my commandments, whether in life or in death, in the sense that are you living for the Lord or are you dying for the Lord? And which is harder is obeying the commandments in life, in the sense that you're being loyal and faithful all the way through the end, keeping the commandments in life or keeping the commandments to the point that you die because of your obedience, whether in life or death, you're still willing to be obedient. So I see this as two different ways of interpreting it. And that's the way the Lord does things, is sometimes he can layer it to where just one simple statement can have depth. Layers. You know, it's the same thing when we do our podcast sometimes, Nate, we. We come afterwards and talk about these things and what we were thinking of at one level or what I was thinking of as I start saying it. Sometimes you start thinking of it in different ways. Or as we hear conference talks, we go back and read the Scriptures. The way the Lord works, the way the Spirit, just sometimes it unpeels itself in layers and you see depth in things that you never really understood or saw. So to me, to see this here, it just speaks of the Spirit. It just speaks of God breathing life into it. [00:05:00] Speaker A: I love it. [00:05:01] Speaker B: And one of the questions then, I guess I wanted to follow up with that, is, is it harder to live for the Lord or die for the Lord? [00:05:08] Speaker A: Live. [00:05:10] Speaker B: Yeah, you're pretty quick on the. You're pretty. And, you know, maybe. Maybe that's. Maybe that's case specific, you know. [00:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. [00:05:23] Speaker B: But I think you're absolutely right. I mean, if you ask somebody to do one hard thing to get into the kingdom of heaven, I mean, you've got all sorts of people willing to sacrifice or do some great act. Sometimes it's the harder things that you. Not the harder, it's the smaller things that you don't. That don't get noticed, that don't get a lot of fame or recognition, that really do. I have to do this all my life. Sometimes the long haul, the long con is the harder deal. [00:05:52] Speaker A: I remember as a kid thinking that, like, the way that I really want to go out in this world is like, when I'm like 90 and I've just, you know, and remember there's a kid thinking this. I've just done all the craziest stuff I want to. Right? As when I'm 90, it's like somebody comes and says, all right, I'm going to shoot you if you deny your testimony at 90. I'll be like, I will never deny my testimony. And then they kill me. And then I'm like, ticket to heaven, let's go. Isn't that how it works? Isn't that how it works, Jason? Just do whatever you want, you know, right at the end, find somebody to like, you know, it's an interesting question. [00:06:28] Speaker B: You know, and they say some people mock the early Christians. They say they were throwing themselves at the Lions in the coliseum. Just, just kind of a badge of honor to say, yeah, I'm willing to do this. But then you ask them to go do their home teaching, participate in elders corps. [00:06:42] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying, though, like, in a weird sort of way. [00:06:45] Speaker B: Tough crowd. [00:06:45] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying is like, in a weird sort of way, if you believe, if you, you know, like, if you have a testimony and you believe or whatever it is that you believe, it can be really hard to every single day stay on top of it and stay sharp. Right? It can be really easy to. I mean, heaven knows I do, you know, let little things slip here and there and you're just like, it's like dying for some, Dying for a cause. It's like it would be crappy and scary to die and to know you're going to die. But that's like a singular event, right? [00:07:19] Speaker B: Yeah, just a one shot deal. [00:07:21] Speaker A: One shot. [00:07:22] Speaker B: But maybe it goes deeper than that. And you look at Peter and given the opportunity to stand up for what he believes and stand beside the man that he said he would stand beside his whole life when it comes down to it, and they say, aren't you the man? He says, I've never seen him. I don't know him. And he Swears on it three times, right? And maybe a lot of that was fear of dying or fear of being held accountable or being put to death. Sometimes when the pressure is on, I don't know, sometimes we say dying is the easy way out. But until the gun is pointed at her head or until we are in that situation, yes, shit is. [00:07:58] Speaker A: We don't know. [00:07:59] Speaker B: It takes a lot of courage or bravery. But either way, I think the Lord is saying, blessed are you whether you are called to die or whether you are called to live. As long as you are obedient. That is the key. All right, going to this a little bit more. In Hindsight, it's always 2020, right? And we look at this independence, this Missouri experience, if we can call it that, here the Lord's revealed to Joseph Smith the independence is going to be the place where the new Jerusalem is built. And they're supposed to go here, they're supposed to gather, pull everybody together, and here is Zion. It's going to be redeemed. And we look at that in our 2020 hindsight. Was Joseph Smith a fallen prophet, that he missed the mark? What happened in Missouri? Because we look at this and where is the new Jerusalem? What happened? The saints got chased out of Missouri. That is one place. Maybe the first place they were. I mean, for crying out loud, an extermination order was signed. And you look at that and say, okay, if this was what God wanted, why didn't God redeem the people? Why wasn't this like Israel going into Canaan and they conquer and chased out? Was Joseph Smith a fallen prophet? Or did God forget his people? Or did either of these things happen? And this is where Doctrine and covenants section 58 becomes very powerful for me in testifying that God did not forget his people. And that Joseph Smith certainly was not a fallen prophet. Because in here, God says a few key things here. He says that he's asking the people, first off, are you willing to be obedient even unto death? In this revelation, this is 1831, August 1831. So the church is just over a year old. This is before any of the persecutions happened. And God is asking his people right now, are you willing to be obedient to me even unto death? In this gathering of Missouri, he is prophesying that death is going to be a factor. And some of these people, their obedience is going to be the difference between life and death. Are they still willing to do it? Not only that, but in three verses he mentions tribulation three times in a Row, he says, first, he that is faithful in tribulation. Then he says, the glory which shall follow after much tribulation. And then he says, for after much tribulation cometh the blessings. Three mentions in a row. When talking about the gathering of Zion, the Lord has told him, you're going to have to decide if you're going to be obedient even unto death. Some of you are going to die. There's going to be tribulation, much tribulation. And after much tribulation, there's going to be blessings. So based on this, Joseph Smith, the prophet, what is he saying? What is the Lord saying? And preparing the minds for the people. This is not the new Jerusalem where everything is going to be easy. This is the ringer. This is where the saints are going to get tried, refined, purified, whatever the case may be. The refiner's fire. This is what Missouri is. So I look at that hindsight being 20 20. It's not that Missouri was failed. It's maybe that our perception of what Missouri was supposed to be fails if we think Missouri was supposed to be something different. The Lord says, my ways are not always your ways. Neither are my thoughts. Your thoughts. And here he had planned all along this. This trial to bring the saints in, to put them through all sorts of tribulation and then pull them out and. And we thought it was something different. But even before they went in, even before they stepped foot in there, the Lord is laying out his plan. To me that vindicates Joseph as the prophet. This was the plan that God had all along for Missouri. It is kind of interesting that we talk about the refining, because after that, he is going to talk about a feast. And you have got this tribulation, you have got this refining. But he is also going to talk about the feast that happens at the end. A lot of the sections leading up to this section, God has pushed this narrative of inequality being iniquity, that he's not pleased with the unequalness of the world, that he's not happy with it. So much so that he's saying in the end, he is going to flatten the mountains, exalt the valleys in this dramatic physical demonstration of leveling the playing field. And he talks about how the meek and the poor are going to inherit the earth, and he's going to raise them up. So for a God that's pushing this equality and the importance of equality, these words don't quite seem to match the message. Because in the feast, he says that first, the wealthy, the well Learned the noble are the ones that are coming to the feast. They got first dibs and then after the day of anger of the Lord, then the poor get to come in like. Wait a second. For a God that cares so much about equality, why is he giving the rich, the wealthy, the learned, the wise, first dibs at a feast that he's preparing in the last days? Why does he leave the poor out of that conversation? It seems very unequal. At least it seems that way to me. Right? And I think the Lord gives us a little bit of clue here. He says, and also when he's talking about the saints going to Missouri and the purpose for the tribulation and why they have to go, he says, and also that you may be honored in laying the foundation and in bearing record of the land upon which the Zion of God shall stand. And also that a feast of fat things might be prepared for, for the poor. So why is he inviting the wise? Why is he inviting the learned? Why is he inviting the noble so that a feast of fat things might be prepared for the poor? If he's inviting the wealthy, the powerful, the wise, what is he asking them to do? He's asking them to come in, to bring their preparedness, to bring what they've learned, to bring what they have and use it in order to prepare a feast for the poor. You can't just bring the poor right up. What are you going to offer? But you're going to have this well prepared feast because first you bring these people that have, I don't know, we've kind of had conversations along these lines. Is it a sin to be wealthy and the riches? And we've talked about Christ and the camel saying it's harder for a rich man to enter in the kingdom of heaven than it is for a camel to enter into the eye of a needle. But here we see this, almost this favoritism, this, I don't know, this preference saying it's these guys that need to come first so that they can prepare the way for the other guys to come later. And as I was reading that and thinking about it, I couldn't help but think of the birth of Jesus Christ. Out of all of the people in the Eastern countries who showed up to see his birth, it was not the poor, it wasn't the destitute, the humble. It was the magi. And when you talk about the magi, why were they the ones that knew to come? Because they were educated, they were wise men. They were looking in the signs, so they were reading, they understood what to look for. And they were educated enough to be looking for those signs. Not only were they educated, but they were wealthy enough that they could make that trip. I mean, you talk about us traveling across country for several months or however long this journey is going to take. How many people can pull off of work and just be gone for several months at the drop of a dime and still be able to support their lifestyle and let alone when they show up bringing gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. So who are the ones that were first present when Christ was born? In this case were the ones that were prepared? Were the ones that were looking for the signs, the ones that were educated, the ones that, I don't know, that had a little bit of wealth, and yet they use that to testify of the Savior, to testify of his role, and to prepare the world. Maybe in some sense, as you look at the gifts that they give him in preparation for his death, in preparation for his burial, in preparation for his atonement, in preparation for a feast where not just the rich and the wealthy benefit, but everybody benefits in the end. And as we were talking about men of influence, I mean, we talk about rich people in the Bible. I think oftentimes we associate with the young, wealthy man or the man that was wealthy from his youth. That's another misconception. I think a lot of times we assume that he's a young man in the New Testament, but. But it says the only thing that refers to his youth is he says, I have been obedient since my youth. Yeah. So he might even be older in age. Who knows? Right. But that's who we usually think of as wealthy. But I wanted to point us off, as I was looking at this, to another instance of a wealthy man. And that's the story of Job. So if you don't mind me taking a small tangent, I want you to. [00:17:42] Speaker A: Take a large tangent. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Here we go. Buckle up. Here we go. Okay, this is Job, chapter one. And I just want you to pay attention real quick to the numbers. I'm obviously not going to read the whole story, but I want to highlight the numbers because there's a reason, I think they include it here. And this was actually first pointed out to me by Dr. Donald Perry down at BYU. If you ever have a chance to take an Old Testament class or a Hebrew class from Donald Perry, please. He is amazing. Anyways, here it goes. There were born unto him. Talking about job, seven sons and three daughters. So he has 10 kids. Seven sons, three daughters. That's important. Next. And his substance was also 7,000 sheep. So that number is also important. 7,000 sheep and 3,000 camels. Can you imagine? 3,000 camels. [00:18:36] Speaker A: That's a lot of camels. That's a lot of cleaning up of camel waste. [00:18:42] Speaker B: It's a lot of camels, a lot of camel waste, A lot of. A lot of everything. [00:18:45] Speaker A: Feeding camels. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Yes. 500 yoke of oxen, 500 she asses and a very great household. So obviously, as you say, having to clean up the waste, you would have to have a great household. Household. He had lots of servants and obviously he had lots of children. 10 children. So he was a wealthy man. And so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the East. So here we have the greatest as far as possessions, property, greatest wealthiest man in the East. And skipping to the end of the story, we know he lost it all. We know he went through a lot of tribulation. We know it did not go well for Job. But at the end of his life. Now I want us to go pay attention to these numbers again. This is verse 12 of chapter 42. So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning. So he was the wealthiest man in all of the east in the beginning. And now he's even wealthier than the wealthiest man. I mean, it's even more so. And he had 14,000 sheep. So how many sheep did he start with? Do you remember the number? [00:19:54] Speaker A: Hold on, hold on, hold on. I do remember. 7,000. [00:19:56] Speaker B: 7,000. [00:19:57] Speaker A: Boom. [00:19:58] Speaker B: So what's happened? 14,000. He's doubled his number of sheep. [00:20:02] Speaker A: You mean like in the parable of the talents? [00:20:04] Speaker B: Like the parable of talents. He's doubled his possessions. He's doubled his money. His financial. He's doubled. Okay, okay, Next, let's see, 6,000 camels. [00:20:15] Speaker A: Oh, he's lost some camels. [00:20:16] Speaker B: No, no, no. He had 3,000 in the beginning. [00:20:19] Speaker A: Oh, I thought that there was. Oh, yeah. For some reason I thought there was like 30,000 camels. I don't know. The image in my head was a lot more than just three. [00:20:25] Speaker B: It was all the camel. [00:20:26] Speaker A: It was like literally everything. The camel population of the universe. [00:20:30] Speaker B: Yeah. So he had 3,000 camels to begin with. Now he's got 6,000 camels. So it's doubled. [00:20:34] Speaker A: Double them up. [00:20:35] Speaker B: And next, a thousand yoke of oxen. So he went from five hundred to a thousand and then a thousand she asses. So 500 to 1000 again. So his numbers of everything is doubled. Right. Now we get to his family and he Also had. He had also seven sons and three daughters. So wait a minute. How many sons and daughters did he have at the beginning? [00:20:55] Speaker A: I thought that's what he had at the beginning. [00:20:56] Speaker B: That's exactly what he had at the beginning. If we switch back, they were born unto him. Seven sons and three daughters. So what happened? He didn't double in his kids. Why wouldn't he double in his kids? [00:21:09] Speaker A: Because that would be a hard thing to do in that space of time. [00:21:13] Speaker B: That's a good explanation. It would be hard to maintain 20 kids at a time instead of 10. [00:21:18] Speaker A: I mean, what period of time is this over? [00:21:22] Speaker B: Boy, that's a good question. [00:21:23] Speaker A: Because I'm saying literally having 10 more kids would be literally impossible. [00:21:29] Speaker B: Yeah, he's getting pretty. Pretty old in life. [00:21:31] Speaker A: I mean, unless there's, like, concubines involved in this, you're literally not having 10 more kids that quick. [00:21:37] Speaker B: But having 10 kids already is quite the feat. I think there's something more going on here. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:42] Speaker B: As you look at all of these numbers doubling, and then you look at his children, they did double. Because even though his first seven sons and three daughters died, families are eternal. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Interesting. [00:21:54] Speaker B: So even though he loses all of his possessions, he never lost his family. [00:21:59] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:59] Speaker B: And so when he has seven more sons and three more daughters, he now has 14 sons and six daughters. And you've got this story showing that not only is the Lord doubling everything that he had, but he never really lost what mattered most to him in the beginning. This family and this idea of eternal families. [00:22:18] Speaker A: So did he really have 10 more kids? [00:22:20] Speaker B: That's what the story says. [00:22:21] Speaker A: I mean, that's what the story says. But, like, for an old dude, I mean, did he have multiple wives? [00:22:27] Speaker B: Abraham. He was pretty easily. Hold on, though. [00:22:29] Speaker A: Did he have multiple wives or not? I just need like a literally, like. Like a. A hard explanation for this. He had 10 more kids in this space of time. All right. I'm just saying, as long as there's like. As long as there's other wives involved. This is ridiculous. Yeah. [00:22:46] Speaker B: And in all the land where no woman found so fair as the daughters of Job. So that's pretty good. [00:22:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's great. [00:22:51] Speaker B: And their father gave them inheritance among their brethren. After this lived job 140 years. [00:22:57] Speaker A: All right. Okay, cool. There's the explanation. [00:22:59] Speaker B: And saw his sons and his son's sons, even four generations. [00:23:04] Speaker A: That's a lot of begatting. [00:23:06] Speaker B: That is a lot of begatting. So Job died being old and full of days. [00:23:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:23:11] Speaker B: So even after. Because it doesn't say he lived 140 years old, period. It says, after this, job lived 140 years. Okay, so even after that. Interesting. [00:23:22] Speaker A: I'm glad. I'm glad we cleared that up. Because you know how sometimes when you hear these stories in your mind, you don't think of it over, like a super long period of time because you read the whole story in, you know, one and a half minutes. And so I think that maybe in my mind, I always thought that this kind of happened really quickly, this whole. This whole story, and so that this. That makes more sense. Thank you. [00:23:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And I guess I bring it up as kind of an example to say we don't look at Job as a wicked man. I mean, he was loyal through everything, and he had a lot to begin with, and he had even more when he finished. There's nothing inherently wrong with wealth. There's nothing inherently wrong with being learned, wise, educated. In fact, these people are the ones the Lord leans on to prepare the feast for everyone else. For them, it's almost like there's a responsibility there that the Lord blesses them with that to be able to establish and prepare the world for the others and uses them to exalt those that are low. How else is he going to bring the low up? And maybe we just finish that thought reading second. Let's see. Jacob, chapter two versus what is it, 17 through 19. You know these. You know these pretty good, Nate. [00:24:47] Speaker A: I probably will when you start saying them. I don't know numbers or anything. I'm terrible at math. [00:24:53] Speaker B: Yeah, let's see if I even find it. Okay. [00:24:58] Speaker A: King Benjamin. [00:24:59] Speaker B: Yes, sir. Well, is it? No. [00:25:01] Speaker A: Or is that too. Is this too early? [00:25:02] Speaker B: This is too early. This is Jacob. All right, this is Jacob. I'm sorry, but before you seek for riches, seek for the kingdom of God. Yes, sir. [00:25:11] Speaker A: And if you do seek riches, use them to build the kingdom of God. [00:25:16] Speaker B: And after you have obtained a hope in Christ. [00:25:18] Speaker A: Let's go. [00:25:18] Speaker B: You shall obtain riches if ye seek them. So it's not just that you will receive riches. Right. After you've obtained a hope in Christ, you're going to get rich. No, that's not what it says. After you've obtained a hope in Christ, you shall obtain riches if you seek them. And you're like, wait a second. [00:25:40] Speaker A: But there's a follow up after this. [00:25:41] Speaker B: Are we not supposed to seek them? Yes, and the follow and you will seek them for the intent to do good, to clothe the naked, to feed the hungry, to liberate the captive, and Administer relief to the sick and the afflicted. So why is the Lord calling on the prepared or the wealthy or those that are well off to feed the sick, to clothe the naked? Why do they come second? Because you need somebody there first to take care of them when they arrive. [00:26:06] Speaker A: Love it. [00:26:07] Speaker B: To feed, to clothe, to provide for. There's nothing inherently wrong with this. You just got to keep your focus on the Savior. [00:26:14] Speaker A: You know what? This reminds me of something also. Is this parable in the New Testament of the parable of the talents. Have you ever heard of it? [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yes. Yes, go ahead. [00:26:24] Speaker A: So the parable of the talents, as we all know, is a parable about money, because that's what a talent was, was a piece of money. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Yes, sir. [00:26:32] Speaker A: Not about singing in primary, so that you don't lose your singing talent. Right, Jason? [00:26:38] Speaker B: Right. Right. [00:26:38] Speaker A: And as we've all now been able to accept and understand, there's some really great lessons that we learn even in that parable, and that is that there is nothing inherently wrong with taking care of the things that you're given stewardship over, including money. Right, Jason? [00:26:54] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:56] Speaker A: And it's interesting because at the end of that parable, the knucklehead that went and buried his money because he didn't think that it was fair that he was given less stewardship and less money than his other fellow workers. He went and buried it. And then when the master came and took it back from him, who did he give that piece of money to? Jason? [00:27:14] Speaker B: Yeah, he didn't give it to the poor. [00:27:17] Speaker A: No. He gave it to the person that actually doubled his money, that. That he had the most money in the first place to take care of the one that had five talents, that increased it to 10. He got that extra piece from the knucklehead that went and buried it because he resented the wealth and he resented all of those things instead of actually just going out and making the best of what he could with what he was given. [00:27:44] Speaker B: And maybe you put more responsibility on those that are responsible and allow them to be responsible and help those that are not. [00:27:51] Speaker A: That's exactly right. To your point, this all comes back to the same point, which is there's nothing inherently wrong with having wealth or seeking wealth, especially because there's so many great people that use that to help other people. And I will literally say this over and over and over again. The people that have blessed my life in so many ways in this life have helped me out, like financially when I needed it or provided opportunities, and these are very incredibly wealthy People who are the most generous people that I know and continue to be generous with, not only me, but with other people. And a lot of them didn't come from money. Right, Right. And I certainly didn't. And I really. I want the freedom that, that being, like, financially, you know, wealthy, I guess whatever word you want to use provides. But also because I've seen how you can bless people's lives so much by having things that you can then help share and give to other people. And when I read these things and hear these things, it just reiterates the fact that it's like, I don't. I don't resent. I don't resent wealth in other people because I want to be wealthy someday because I know of how awesome it is to be able to help other people when you do have, you know, when you do have things that you can. You can give to other people or help provide opportunities for other people. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Yeah. And it kind of. I mean, if we could sum something up, don't. Don't hate the rich because of their wealth or the wealthy because of their wealth, and don't despise the poor because of their poorness. [00:29:37] Speaker A: Amen. [00:29:38] Speaker B: There's. There's a lot of things that are going on behind the scenes that we don't see or we don't know. [00:29:43] Speaker A: But if it's so trendy, though, it just feels like. It just feels like you can't get on again. Social media, which is toxic. But it's like even having conversations sometimes with people, it just seems like we are. Is that there's such. It's so easy to be like, well, we don't like this person because they're. They're rich, or we don't like this person, or we, we need to. We need to chop this person down as society because they have whatever right. And it's just such a toxic attitude. [00:30:15] Speaker B: And one of the things the Lord teaches us in Doctrine and Covenants several times, and I believe he even mentions it here in this section, is to be grateful, to be appreciative. And how grateful or appreciative are we when we are despising somebody else for their wealth or despising somebody else for their lack of wealth? We should be appreciative of what we have and appreciative that others have successful. Looking at the prodigal son, why wouldn't we be grateful for the prodigal's decision to come back instead of despising him because of the decisions that they made? Why do we not enjoy in the successes of others instead of being envious or jealous of that, wishing it was ours, we really need to learn how to let go of that and realize there's nothing inherently evil with any of that. It's the decisions that we make, it's what we do with it, and how are we pursuing it and what are we giving up for it. And there are a lot of good people that do a lot of good things. And you look at the Lord and how he uses the wealthy to prepare the world and a feast for the poor. How could mission presidents give up their home, give up their situation, give up their work, and serve the world by ministering, administering missionaries all over in a mission if they weren't wealthy enough and didn't have their affairs and their finances in order that they could set those things aside for that period of time. [00:31:45] Speaker A: To take care of it, look at the church just as the organization and the wealth that the church has been able to build over. You know what I mean? The life of the church. How awesome is that? That the church is so financially well off, that anytime there is a natural disaster, anytime there is a crisis, that anytime, like not only individually, like the church is there to help feed and clothe, you know, those in need, but even on the bigger scale that we as a church can be on the front lines feeding and clothing and helping to financially take care of all of the terrible things that happen in the world. And you just, again, like, it just. It's so hard for me. It's so hard for me. My blood boils, unfortunately, when it's just this blanket resentment and hatred and just. I mean, I get that it's human nature that when we see somebody have something that we want or need, it's just a very easy thing to go, well, I deserve that. Or, well, they don't deserve that or they don't need that. And I need that. And it should be my. I know that that's an easy thing to, like, fall into and slip into because it's human nature and we just have to. And I. And it's. And like you said, and when you have, when you have means, it can also be very human nature to judge and look upon people that don't have the same way. I get it. [00:33:21] Speaker B: It's funny how it slides both ways. [00:33:23] Speaker A: It does slide both ways. But I think that we somehow give a pass to people that resent success and wealth, probably because the majority of. [00:33:33] Speaker B: Us are on the side of things. [00:33:35] Speaker A: Because the majority of us aren't. Yeah, of course, of course. The majority, the vast majority of us are on the other side. And so that's why, I guess we give it a pass, is because we just have more numbers. But it's still just as like, oh, man, it is. [00:33:48] Speaker B: And almost like a superiority complex. Like, you almost look at it and say, you know what, I'm better than them because I'm humble, or I don't have as much, or they say better than them because I do have more. You know, it's. It's pride both ways. [00:34:00] Speaker A: It is. It's pride both ways. [00:34:02] Speaker B: It is. And, and it is interesting. Like you say, the Lord is preparing a feast for everyone and, and, and. [00:34:11] Speaker A: Everyone can serve and be involved in it, is what you're saying, right? [00:34:14] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:14] Speaker A: Like, summed up. It's like we need. We need everybody on both sides and everywhere in between to be involved. [00:34:22] Speaker B: And we need you. We need. I mean, we need all of our talents. And I love that you brought up the church and what it's doing to serve the world. I love hearing those humanitarian reports and they talk about the projects that they're doing when they're building wheelchairs for people over here, supplying water over here, cleaning up after this natural disaster, or just all of the things that the Lord is taking the wealth that we've been able to generate or whatever we have and using it to exalt the valleys, to bring them up to. If you look at the world in 1960s, starving by tens and twenties of millions of people, the world over, starving to death. And a lot of that, by and large, has gone away today because we live in a much more generous society. We have a lot more advancement. But I think there is a responsibility to try to take and share and give that maybe there wasn't so much of even not that long ago, who knows? But we've got to. We've got to cultivate that feeling. We shouldn't be ashamed of wealth. In fact, we should seek wealth. We should seek first the kingdom of God. And part of the kingdom of God is preparing a feast for everyone, including the poor. How can we help? Where can we help? And maybe the most help we can get is if we are in a better situation, to be able to provide that help. And if we are not in a better situation, I know there are some people out there that wish they were, and they try and they are doing everything they can, and they maybe struggle with the question of what am I lacking because I'm still poor, but I want to be and I want to help, and they would, and God sees that and blesses their effort and you look at the widow's mite, that one might was worth more wealth than anyone else that had deposited in that box that day. So no matter where you at on the scale, whether you're on the top, the bottom, or anywhere in the middle, don't be envious or jealous or hate anyone else on the scale, but, but do the best with what you have there and don't be ashamed to be looking for more if the reason why you're looking for more is to be able to better serve God and help other people in situations like you or situations worse than you. [00:36:26] Speaker A: Well, remember, even in the parable of the talents, like, not everybody was given the same amount of money to start, but the person that was even given the two talents was a good steward with the less that they were given and they saw their efforts increased and doubled in the end too, I guess is the point. Right. And then my point is like me as a person who's not wealthy. Well, so, I mean, I consider myself wealthy because I've got, you know, a healthy family and I get to do what I love to pay the bills, but I'm not like, I'm not like making it rain, you know. Yeah, but the thing is, is that again, it's just like that, doesn't it? I, I am hungry for more. I want to do more. I'm, I'm striving to do more, but that doesn't mean that it's paying off necessarily. Right. But no, but the thing is, is that it is, I think with the best of intentions. But at the same time though, maybe, maybe, maybe I'm also not getting like super rich because maybe I don't know myself as well as I think I do and maybe it's a blessing in. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Disguise and maybe so, you know what I mean? Like, maybe, maybe we don't handle wealth as well as we. [00:37:36] Speaker A: That's exactly right. And maybe, maybe it's the greatest blessing that, that for the life of me, I can't figure out when to sell bitcoin and when to buy bitcoin. Right. [00:37:44] Speaker B: But if we trust God, it's going to go well. [00:37:46] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying, is that, is that, is that I'm, I'm, I am trying to be as responsible and do the best with, with what I do have. And, and, and to your point, to seek first the kingdom of God. One of the things to do that, to do that we need to be humble and we need to not be prideful and we need to not judge. You know what I mean? It's all of those things that it's very easy to do with or without money, right? [00:38:13] Speaker B: Yes. [00:38:13] Speaker A: And so if first, if everybody first the commandment is for everybody to seek first the kingdom of God, then we should probably check ourselves, myself included. I'm saying this to myself, we should check ourselves on all of those things first. Definitely. Before we start counting somebody else's money or being really proud as we're counting our own money. [00:38:34] Speaker B: And if we're talking about wealth, I guess maybe one other thing that I feel like I should mention at this point is wealth applies to not just financial well being, but I think there's also a level of wealth of knowledge where sometimes somebody might take an approach and say, you know what, I don't need to know that or I don't want to know that. I just want to keep things with the simple or the humble. I'm going to be humble and I don't want to know as much versus someone who's willing to try to learn or gain more wisdom, understanding. You look at the. Sometimes these two are often associated with each other because he says here the rich and the wise and the noble, he kind of groups together in one group and later he talks about the poor that are invited afterwards. But he needs all of that to build it up. And sometimes there can be some that apply themselves to try to learn as much as they can, gain sort of a wealth that way, where there may be some others that say, you know what, learn. Learning has never come easy for me. That's not something that I'm going to be pursuing. I'm going to do the best with what I have and I don't need to know that same thing. You can't look down on somebody for knowing a lot and you can't look down on somebody for not knowing as much. But there are differences there and there are ways to contribute the same way to prepare that feast and to try to help. I think that's a part of why we do what we do is to try to share whatever insight we have, if we have any. Obviously we don't have a lot of financial means to bless people, but hopefully by being able to see or understand things in a way that we feel wealthy and sharing that with the rest of you guys, I guess is our contribution in a way of trying to prepare this feast for everybody to enjoy. [00:40:16] Speaker A: Love it. It's a great perspective. [00:40:18] Speaker B: Okay. We're talking about this feast. There's something that escaped my attention every time I've read this. But just tonight, just tonight, this struck me. The Lord says that he's going to have this feast, and he talks about all of the fat things and the stuff full of marrow, and then he talks about wine on the lees. And I don't know hardly anything about wine. In fact, you go back to those old Saturday Night Live sketches, and they had the Saturday Night Live Jeopardy. And one of the categories was always potent potables. And I feel like most of us in the church would fail Jeopardy. If the category was ever potent potable. I just don't feel like we know a lot about it. [00:41:07] Speaker A: I don't even know what potent potables mean. [00:41:10] Speaker B: Potent being strong. [00:41:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I know what potent means. [00:41:12] Speaker B: Potables, meaning your drinks, your strong drinks. [00:41:15] Speaker A: Okay. [00:41:15] Speaker B: Your liquors, your alcohol. [00:41:16] Speaker A: But, yeah, I learned something new tonight. [00:41:18] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:41:19] Speaker A: We would fail when I first saw. [00:41:21] Speaker B: That skit, and I would see potent potables as the one consistent category from every time. And I was like, what in the world is that? That's how much I didn't know. And I had to look it up. And I'm like, oh, strong drinks. Yeah, I guess I would fail that. But anyways, so I had to look a lot of this stuff up. But they're talking about wine on the lees. And I was like, what in the world are lees? Do you have any idea what lees are, Nate? [00:41:48] Speaker A: Yes, I will. Hold on. Lee's are. I've heard it in a song or something, like some old, like, Irish. [00:41:55] Speaker B: The dregs you've probably heard. And I think lees are very similar to the dregs. [00:41:59] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. I know that I've heard it. I know that I've heard it. I know that I've heard it before. Hold on. Give me a hint. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Okay? [00:42:07] Speaker A: Give me a hint. I want to know. I want to think. I think I know. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Particles. Salt Lake. [00:42:12] Speaker A: Nevermind. I don't know. Nevermind. Don't give me any hints. Just go. [00:42:14] Speaker B: Okay, so when you're taking the grapes and you're squeezing out the juice, I mean, obviously you've got the skin, you've got the pulp, you've got all sorts of different things that go into the juice that's not the juice itself. That kind of settle down at the bottom. And sometimes they call it the lees, or sometimes they call it the dregs. So you're saying you drink it up until the dregs. The dregs are the. [00:42:39] Speaker A: The heavy particles, the silty Stuff that you don't want. [00:42:41] Speaker B: The silty stuff. Yes, everything that settles at the bottom of the cup, right. And the point of leaving the lees in is it gives it a fuller flavor and it helps it to become a little bit stronger to preserve it. But the problem, if you leave it on the lees too long, it becomes syrupy, it gets all thick. And so they use this example in the Old Testament a few times to refer to nations that are idle, that haven't done much and they become lazy and they become syrupy. They've sat on the lees too long. And here you have almost kind of enigma. Because the Lord talks about. I love how he puts it. He says it's a well prepared feast. And you think about feast like, yeah, it's well prepared, it's going to be good. I don't know, for whatever reason, I just really liked how he said that. But when he talks about the drink that they're going to drink, he says wine on the lees. And he also puts it in with the marrow and the fatty things. And you're like, oh, so this fat, syrupy drink. But then he says it's going to be well filtered wine on the leaves. And I'm like, wait a second, isn't that an enigma? Like if you're filtering it, you're catching all of the lees, the dregs and everything out of the cup. In fact, they'd use filtration. If you filtered it enough, you'd get rid of everything that would make it alcoholic and you're just pure juice. It tames it a little bit, but you can't leave it on the leaves too long because it gets syrupy. So you filter it. And so then I thought, wait a second, how is it wine on the leaves if it's filtered at the same time? And I don't know, as I was thinking about this, maybe the filtration, you think about filtering, you're getting rid of the dregs. And what are the dregs? If we were to look at society, what do you think of as the dregs of society? Or even if we were to look at the church, even the early days of the church, or this filtering process, what are the dregs? Or what gets left out in the filtering? And you talk about the refiner's fire and the fuller soap and what's going on, and all of this in context of Missouri and preparing this feast. And the Lord says he treads the winepress and you talk about the fruit that we are Bearing and the Lord pressing us, squeezing us or whatever. I think the dregs are our impurities. Whether it's the impurities of our personal life, because this has application on a personal level. The impurities on a society, as a church, as a nation, as a people, the society as a whole, whatever the case may be, you need some of that in there to give it flavor. Some of those impurities, some of those defects, some of those, whatever the case may be, that we've matured and we've gone through the press and we've been squeezed away from, are still somewhat of a part of us to give us flavor, to give us perspective, to give us understanding. But if we hold on to them too much, they slow us down, they stop our progress. That same thing that was giving us flavor all of a sudden makes us slow, makes it hard for us to change or become what we really need to be. So there has to be a balance between this flavor providing versus this filtering that purifies us and takes us away from that to clean us. So I don't know, this imagery of this wine being both on the lees and being filtered kind of struck me as interesting as a small detail that I completely missed out on every time I read this, that it just kind of spoke to me tonight. [00:46:18] Speaker A: Yeah, that's dope. [00:46:20] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think maybe one last point to it, if it was on the lees and it's been filtered, I think it also speaks to the fact that it is very fresh. And maybe the Lord's saying that all of this purification, all of this change and all of this whatever, that the feast is going to happen immediately afterwards, that the wine's not going to spoil, that we really are coming up close to to the time that this feast is going to take place. [00:46:53] Speaker A: It is awesome. I love it. For what it is worth, great insight. [00:46:58] Speaker B: Next. I love this. Let no man break the laws of the land. For he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land. If you think about it, what earthly law would we break if we were keeping the laws of God? What is the purpose of earthly laws if they are not to protect the rights of everyone in society. Right. If somebody's drinking and driving and that leads them to cross over the line or to get in an accident, you are restricting the freedom of somebody else to preserve their safety, to preserve their rights. You create these laws to protect people's property. You can't steal, to protect people physically. You can't assault and battery, or you can't kidnap. All of these laws are established in a way to define, I guess, in more detail what God's laws were from the beginning. And if we're following God's laws and loving each other, why would we ever try to take advantage of each other? Why would we ever try to steal? The purpose is exactly the opposite as we just spent so much time hashing out. It's not to take advantage of somebody else, it's to try to give them the advantage or try to, to help people. But anyways, I just, I love the way they stated that. [00:48:16] Speaker A: It also kind of would speak to. Even if you're. Even if you live in a place that maybe doesn't. Doesn't have the most freedom and has like, oppressive laws, as long as you're keeping the laws of God, you're going to be all right in the long run. I think is kind of what that could also be saying too. It's like we're lucky here where we live that. That, you know, we live in a very free place, you know, whatever. To the extent of, whatever that means to you. But I know that there's a lot of places that don't have the same freedoms that we do. But I think it could also be saying, look, in those places, like, yeah, you, you have, you know, live by the laws of the land as long as you're keeping the laws of God, because in that case, then God will still take care of you either in this life or the next life. [00:49:10] Speaker B: Yeah, they've had a few talks about this. When we get wrapped up in a world war. If you want to go read some of the conference talks back from the 1940s and you talk about, well, what about soldiers in the church on one side of the war versus soldiers in the church on the other side of the war. Should they not be supporting their country? Does God reign superior to this as there is some. And you do have to sustain the laws of the land. And God will hold you. I mean, he's not going to condemn you for obeying the laws that in. [00:49:44] Speaker A: The land you're being subjected to. [00:49:46] Speaker B: Yeah. In every society, in every culture. Maybe if I give you a little bit of a Near Eastern peak on this going back. They believe that the right to rule kingship came from God on their law. Stella in Babylon, the Babylonian rock where they carved all of their laws, they depict the king receiving the laws from God, very similar to what you would see with Moses receiving them on the mount. And the laws are very similar to what you see in the Law of Moses and they have stipulations if your ox gores somebody or breaks out on the property or what happens or how you create restitution and how do you make it right and what you need to do. But this idea that law and order descended from the gods and the right to rule was really God's right and he was just extending, allowing people to hold that for him as a substitute. And the laws that have been created are created to create order. I guess if we were to take it back to one central point as we were talking about last week, with the center place being where God would stand and order the chaos and impose order on everything, the laws of the land are a way of imposing order on the chaos. They descend from God. In a sense, no matter your religion, no matter where you live, the laws are there to create order and order is divine. I don't know, I like it kind of a rant. But let's get to the second part of this because I think this is key. It says wherefore be subject to the powers that be until he reigns, whose right it is to reign and subdue. And when we are talking about this, there is another scripture in Romans that says that you need to respect the lawman, he says, because he does not carry a sword in vain. And I think I feel bad for police in today's society. I know that not every police officer makes a good decision. And I am not trying to excuse the poor decisions that are made. But I do have to respect those that are willing to take up the badge and deal with uncomfortable situations on a day in, day out basis. Trying to maintain order or protect and serve as the motto really is to protect and to serve. And I feel like they deserve a lot more respect than what they get most of the time. And yes, I know there are cases where there's exceptions or things are. But like it says, they don't carry a sword for nothing. We should respect them and they have that responsibility to try to maintain order. And boy, if we respected them a lot more, I think it would be a lot easier for them to do their job. And I don't know, I don't want to go down a rabbit hole too much on this. But I do want to say thanks for all those willing to put themselves in those situations. That takes a lot of courage. I don't know that I would want to step into a house where people are fighting over whatever and try to maintain order or protect people that would be miserable or you never know what you're going to get. When you pull someone over on the highway, if someone's going to be belligerent or scream at you, I mean, is that really what you want to do for a job? But there are people willing to do that and my respect to them. I think we do need to, as much as possible, respect and reverence the law and order in all of its forms. [00:53:15] Speaker A: I dig it. [00:53:16] Speaker B: Okay. All right. And if you do, if you disagree, or if you have problems with that, feel free to send me some hate mail. That's fine. Hi. [00:53:23] Speaker A: At we they never, ever sent me anything about the talents. So I don't. [00:53:26] Speaker B: You guys don't say anything. [00:53:27] Speaker A: I don't think they're gonna send you anything about that. [00:53:30] Speaker B: Such a quiet crowd. What do we need to do to stir the pot? I mean, hi. It's. It's that easy. Hi, weekly deep dive dot com. Anyways, probably the last point we have time for today. As I look at this, it's not meet that I command you in everything. And the idea to be anxiously engaged in a good work. This speaks volumes to me as a parent. It just makes sense. Like, who wouldn't be happy as a parent if you didn't have kids that are just like, ugh, what can I do? And you're like, well, here, let me. No, I don't want to do that. Well, you can. I don't know if you had kids that. I've got to be careful. I've got excellent kids and they do do awesome things. But how rewarding is it when if you were, for example, to leave your kids and go do something, you come back and you find out they went the extra mile, they cleaned the house or they took care of something or did something nice, who wouldn't be impressed by that? Right? If we were to put, I guess, us in the role of our kids, what father, what heavenly father, what God wouldn't love us or appreciate us if we weren't thinking, what is it that God would like me to do? And how can I be engaged in doing that? And how can I take some time out of my day to figure this out and do a little extra or do a little bit more to try to help move his work along? Makes all the difference in the world. I don't think I presented that very well. [00:55:19] Speaker A: No, I think you present it fine. It's funny because, like, the twist that I always see on this is that there are also things that you would be totally fine just making up your own decision and doing it. You know what I mean? That's that's the other thing, too, is the flip side of this is me as a parent, I also don't want my kids coming up to me, every single thing that they're ever doing and say, hey, can I do this? Hey, can I do this? Hey, can I do this? Hey, dad, can I go to the bathroom? Hey, dad, can I go wash my hands after I'm done going to the bathroom? Hey, dad, can I. Whatever. And it's funny because it's funny because it's true. It is. It can be, unfortunately. Hey, dad, do I need to do this? Hey, dad, do I need to do this? As a father, I'm also just like, yo. Like, I'll step in if you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing. You know, I'll remind you if that's something you shouldn't be doing. But it's interesting because I know some people take the pray in all things to very much the extreme into, like, I want to go to McDonald's to get some food, but I should probably pray about it first and ask God if I should. And I know you think that that sounds extreme, but I quite literally saw a Facebook post from somebody that was like, as I prayed, I felt like that as I was about ready to think, I prayed and asked God if it was okay for me to go and get this thing at this place. And then I went and got it at this place, and I got home and I prayed if I should, you know, eat this before or after, you know, whatever. My husband got home. It was something. It was so ridiculous. And I kept waiting for, like, the, like, the big finale of, like. And I'm glad I did, because here's all the things that. That tied together. But that wasn't it. There was no ending. [00:57:03] Speaker B: There was no point. [00:57:04] Speaker A: No, there was no point. It was. It was to. It was to be like, I'm praying about every single thing, every single decision I make in life. And it's like, okay, that's. I don't know, man. And again, like, I don't look if that's how. If that's how somebody needs to survive. But I look at this, and it says that I don't. It's not me, that I command you in everything. I also kind of take that as, like, hey, how about you just do things? And then if it feels weird, then figure it out. You know what I mean? Like, if you're doing something you're not supposed to be doing, or if you feel prompted not to do something or to do something, take advantage of that. But my goodness, also learn how to just behave. [00:57:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so many times as a parent, you don't want to make your child into something that they're not meant to be. Right. You want them to love soccer because they love soccer, not because you love soccer or because they're trying to please you. It's so much of a hands off deal. Well, I mean it's not. Try to figure out the best way to say this, but you want them to be them and you want to bring that flavor out. You want to bring that uniqueness out and support them in however they are or whatever they are. And I know I keep going back to children, but I think for me that's one of the best ways to understand God as he looks at me in this sense of this idea. How many times have we prayed and said what do I need to do? Or what job should I take? Or what direction should we go? And really the answer is what direction do you want to go? What do you want to do with your life? Where do you want to be? And you sit there and you wait and you wait, just God, I want you to tell me everything I have to do. And God says sometimes that is exactly his response. It is not meet that I command you in all things. Go be yourself. Do you not that you should forget God? Not that you should be praying and thanking him for each opportunity? Not that you shouldn't be telling him about your day and your thoughts and what you are thinking. And I think there's nothing wrong or inappropriate with saying, you know what? I was thinking about doing this and this is what I wanted to do. And you know, maybe some people, they feel a lot more comfortable praying about every detail. But going back to what you're saying, to your point, I think 100% what makes this world work is diversity. What makes nature work in the natural world is biodiversity. That you have all of these different niches and that everything fills its little niche and they work together because they are different. And this idea that God respects us, loves us and wants to bring out the best us, and the best us is really a lot of independency, a lot of agency in that God wants us to become who we want to be. [01:00:04] Speaker A: I also think too though, nature also is very. It's obvious in nature to ever survive you have to learn. And how do you learn something? By being told every single thing that you have to do, or going out and trying to do something and having it backfire or fail or not work Out. Right. You know what I mean? And the thing is, like, I think that. I think that. I totally agree with your point. My only addition to that point would be I also think that it's important to not always do the right thing, if that makes sense. To try to do the right thing, but blow it or to make a mistake and learn from it or to, or to, you know, the idea is, is that as a parent, I can't possibly go around with my kids for the rest of their lives and have them be happy and successful and independent and truly, like, founded in their own, like you said, personality or faith or identity. If I, if, If their entire childhood is me just telling them every single thing that they have to do, right or wrong. [01:01:13] Speaker B: Right, right. [01:01:14] Speaker A: And, and, and not getting it right every time is a complete. Like, it's a necessity. It's a, it's an absolute necessity to, to learn how to grow and figure it out and, and independently become stronger. Right. And so, again, like, I, I totally agree with you, and I also look at a lot of the things, and again, I'm. I, I don't know how. I don't know how exactly you can pray in all things and also not be commanded in all things, but I think that there is a place in between those or, or that. Or somewhere that that makes sense, which is, you know, if I'm about ready to blow it today, inspire me to either learn from it or to not blow it. One of the two, I guess I don't know. Or sustain me in the decisions that I do make. As long as I'm not doing anything wrong, have my back. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Is there. Can those two work together? Because I guess I don't feel like they have to be mutually exclusive to pray in all things, but also to not be commanded in every single thing. Yeah, I don't know. [01:02:20] Speaker B: Oh, I see it. I. I see it. And almost to take it back full circle, what was the whole Missouri experience about in the first place? And sometimes when things don't go as well as we thought they were supposed to, maybe we take that job and we go in and we have a terrible experience and we get fired and we get laid off or whatever the case may be, and we come back to God and why did you let me do this? Why didn't you keep me safe from this? And maybe that was our Missouri. And maybe the point isn't, hey, tell me everything I need to do to be safe or so that I never. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Make any wrong Step along the way. [01:03:00] Speaker B: Yeah, because a lot of it is aligning our will to God. Not necessarily. Hey, God, how do I do this so that I don't fall? How do I do this so I don't fail? How do I. No. We keep trying to align God to our will, when maybe we should be aligning our will to God's. Maybe our prayer shouldn't so much be, tell me everything that I need to do, but help me understand. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I should just say this. It's cool because it's a learning process. It's cool because God doesn't always give us the answers right off the bat. Sometimes there's ambiguity, sometimes there's figuring out, and sometimes there's failure along the way. And we shouldn't be waiting for him on every single thing we do. Be anxiously engaged. Find out what you can do and follow your feelings. Get involved. Move forward. Don't just stand and be syrupy like that. Like the drink that has too much dregs in it Every now and again. You just got to filter things out and move forward. [01:04:04] Speaker A: Love it. Love it. All right, what are we talking about next week? [01:04:07] Speaker B: Next week is Doctrine and covenants, section 63 through 62. And it is. All flesh is in my hand. [01:04:14] Speaker A: All flesh is in my hand. All right, until next week. [01:04:18] Speaker B: See ya, Sam.