3 Nephi 27 - 4 Nephi

[00:00:16] Speaker A: Welcome to the weekly Deep Dive podcast on the add on education network. The podcast where we take a look at the weekly come follow me discussion and try to add a little insight into unique perspective. I am your host, Jason Lloyd, here with my friend, our friend, the player of fire, Nate the great piper. [00:00:36] Speaker B: Look, you have smoke on your background. I had to light a candle so I could have some smoke on my background as well. [00:00:43] Speaker A: This show's producer, I think I left that out. [00:00:45] Speaker B: It doesn't matter. They know at this point, or they don't care at this point. [00:00:50] Speaker A: Produce this show, Nate, you. [00:00:52] Speaker B: Oh, I'm producing the show, baby. [00:00:54] Speaker A: Set your light on a hill. [00:00:55] Speaker B: That's right, dude. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Let your light so shine letting that. [00:01:00] Speaker B: Light so shine, baby. [00:01:04] Speaker A: I like it. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Talk to me, Jason. What's good, dude? [00:01:07] Speaker A: Dude, life is good. [00:01:10] Speaker C: Good. [00:01:10] Speaker A: Life is good. We're wrapping up third Nephi. This is the end of Jesus's teachings. And then we get fourth Nephi, which, if I recall, fourth Nephi wasn't even its own book until much later. We decided to kind of separate it into its own little book, kind of a one chapter. Let's summarize the next 400 years, comment on what's going on. But, yeah, we get to kind of wrap up third Nephi, talk a little bit about fourth Nephi. First off, I think we run into issues about what should we call the name of the church? And I I'm glad this was an issue back then, because we have modern parallels to it, and it's, you know, it's interesting. What do we call the church? And. And even though we have this in the book of Mormon saying that it needs to be called by my name, and even though we have in the doctrine covenants, where Christ says, and this shall be the name of my church in the last days, we still need modern prophets that kind of remind us that this is the church of Jesus Christ. And I think there's some miracles involved in this. The fact that if we were to look at all of religions in the modern era, I would say Mormonism. I say the church of Jesus Christ, and then right. Immediately refer right back into mormonism. So here I go. But the Church of Jesus Christ is a late bloomer on the stage, like everybody else, kind of had their chance to take the name and choose what they were going to be called and organized themselves. As far as, like, the dates that religions were organized. The Church of Jesus Christ has a pretty late organization date. They're the last of the party. You would think all of the good names are taken how is it that when the church is restored here on earth, thousands, almost thousands of years later, the Church of Jesus Christ is still available for a name to be called by an organization? How is it that the Church of Jesus Christ has the website churchofjesuschrist.org dot? That's pretty cool. I don't know. [00:03:29] Speaker B: I think it's unbelievable. It's a miraculous. [00:03:31] Speaker A: It's miraculous. Everybody else is so eager to be called by any other name. And you. And you see it in the New Testament, well, called by Paul and some called by. And he says, no, call me followers of Christ. It's interesting. It's interesting. And I think I'm going to kind of go on a tangent on this, Nate. I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant, so correct me if I'm wrong or push me back in bounds if I stray. [00:03:58] Speaker C: I. [00:03:59] Speaker A: But I feel like in our culture today, we have been trying very hard to break down walls, to reach out, extend the hand of fellowship. President Hinckley described it really well when he says, take everything that you have and bring it and see if we can add to it. And in the name of reaching out and friendliness, I fear sometimes we almost get a little bit apologetic about saying that this is the Church of Jesus Christ. And I've seen people make comments such as, how dare you say that you were the one true truth. Don't all roads lead to Rome? And I think that sometimes in the name of friendship or building bridges, we apologize for being the Church of Jesus Christ or for saying that we are the only true church. And I don't want to say everybody's doing this, and I don't want to sit here and over generalize. I mean, it is what I'm doing. But my point in saying this is I don't think as followers of the Church of Jesus Christ, we have anything to apologize when it comes to saying that this is the church of Jesus Christ. It is the only church that Jesus Christ stands at the head of today, and the only church through which the priesthood is restored on earth and covenants can be made and ordinances performed that will bring us back into the presence of God. And some might look and say, that's not fair. And how can you say that Jesus plays at your house and not mine? But here's where I think we need to be unapologetic about this and still friendly. I think there's still diplomatic ways that we can approach this. Not going to rub this in people's faces or make them feel wrong or try to be aggressive or fighting about the point, but. But I think that it's, it's very. There's a way we can present this in a thought provoking way or in a different perspective or something to think about sort of way that that's not going to be grinding gears, but say, consider for a minute that we're not the ones saying it, that it's Christ that's saying it because it's his church. And I can't apologize for what Christ is saying, nor will I apologize for trying to do what Christ has asked me to do. Jesus is the one, not me, who said, I am the way, the truth and the light. And no man comes to the father except by me. Jesus is the one that said, this is my rock, and upon this rock will I build my church. Jesus is the one that called prophets. Jesus is the one that called apostles. Jesus said that in order to come to the Father, we must take upon ourselves his name and become like him. And he has laid out baptism as an acceptable form to be born again and take upon the name of Christ and priesthood authority through which these covenants can be made. In other words, Jesus has said, this is my church, and no man comes to the father except by me. Does this mean that other churches don't offer good things, don't teach good things, don't provide value? Absolutely not. I think there's value in every organization that tries to bring people to Christ. But I think we need to be unapologetic when it comes to saying, this is what Christ said. Because I'm not going to apologize for Christ's words. I'm not going to be ashamed for what he is saying. He is the one that said it, not me. I don't know. Is that making sense? [00:07:43] Speaker B: Yeah. I also think that it's okay to say that there can be value in certain things that, like, I mean, there's value in a ton of things. But Jesus didn't say, be therefore valuable. You know, he's like, be perfect. There is a lot of good in other things. Jesus didn't say, be therefore good. [00:08:09] Speaker C: He said, be perfect. [00:08:10] Speaker B: And then you go, okay, cool. Then there has to be an acknowledgement of a higher standard. And I think Christ during his ministry, used a lot of. He would read through the scriptures, even the commandments that he was fulfilling. All of this was still part of the big picture. But he came and very much said, I am the way, the truth and the light. No man make it to the father, but by me, you're just going like, okay, there's a line at some point drawn in the sand. And I think to your point, it's where I think that sometimes we get a little bit derailed in our mission, is that we go, Jesus just said. Or Jesus didn't just say, hey, like, if it's making people think about me, then that's good enough. Or if it's. If it's kind of true, but not totally true, but it makes you feel good, then sweet, then that's all it takes. It's like Jesus's standards. I feel like I've always just been so much more. If you love me, keep my commandments. If you walk the same path that I've walked, be willing to carry the cross, be willing to die for other people. It's like there's so much more commitment that Jesus taught when he was here that. It's why I guess I have a hard time with. A lot of the idea that there's entire religions based off of the grace of Christ covers all things, and if you feel like that you should be required to do any works, you've missed the whole point. It's like, well, I mean, how many times in the New Testament did Jesus ever use the word grace? You know what I mean? I guess I'm just saying I don't know of any. My point is we. I agree with you. We should be unapologetic to say, of course there's so much value in all these other things. Of course there's so many good things. But for what is required for salvation, Christ made it clear that it was more than just value in things and goodness and things. It's like Christ made it very clear that there was a commitment, that there were certain actions that had to be taken, that, yes, faith and works and all of these things. I guess I'm with you. I would maybe say it's okay to also take it a step farther and just go like, Christ never set up. [00:10:43] Speaker C: His church just to be a feel good social club. Like, it's. [00:10:48] Speaker B: It's like, that's not the re. That was not ever the purpose of Christ setting up a church. And therefore, if Christ set up a church for something other than just everybody feels good social hangout club. Okay, well, then what is the reason, then? Why did Christ set up a church? Okay. If you believe that Christ set up a church because of that, within. Within the structure of that church, we would know how to be saved. Then you go, okay, well, then don't you think that it's important then to find out which organization best represents the structure that Christ set up. And in our case, that's when we, I guess, as members, can then make our claim, which is, this is the church that Christ set up and restored. And therefore, I think that it takes out really any sort of, like, need to apologize for anything else. I do know what you mean that there is kind of sometimes. [00:11:52] Speaker C: A soft. [00:11:53] Speaker B: Stepping around, wanting to come right out and say, we believe that Christ set up a church so that the ordinances of salvation could be fulfilled. If you don't even want to start with us on that fundamental level, that's fine, but I'm not gonna argue with you about whether that's the reason he did or didn't set up a church. He made it very clear during his ministry that that is why he set up a church. We believe that he then came and. [00:12:21] Speaker C: Restored that specific church, and therefore, that. [00:12:25] Speaker B: Is the organization where you will be able to find saving ordinances. And so, therefore, like, what else is there to argue at that point? [00:12:34] Speaker A: Right, right. And I love where you're going with this, and I almost want to just kind of add a little bit to this in saying, just because I believe that doesn't mean that somebody else has to believe that. But by understanding what I believe, then they know where I'm coming from, and they understand the urgency that I feel and my desire to try to explain this, because now they can see it from my perspective. If they say, oh, so what is the. What is the balance here? What does this all sit on? What does it rest on? The difference between why I feel, speaking of me, why I feel it's important to tell everybody, this is the church of Jesus Christ. This is why you should be baptized, is because Christ himself said, this is the way, versus somebody who says, oh, I just believe that there is anything. The difference is, did Christ establish this church? And now they can understand where I'm coming from. And it gives them the opportunity to focus on the one question rather than argue about a myriad of different things. Is this really what Christ said? That's what it boils down to. Is the gospel restored and is Christ at the head of it? Let's not focus on anything else. Let's get to, is this the church of Jesus Christ? And if that's fundamentally the difference between my opinion and yours, at least you understand where I'm coming from. And from there, we can relate and we can talk, and I can respect what you believe. If you don't believe that, that's the same thing. Doesn't mean I don't like you. It doesn't mean I'm going to argue with you. But, but we understand our differences. And something you said, Nate, that was so important to add so much to this is, I think setting the expectations of what it means to be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ. And you've said this so many times so well as a teacher you provided high expectations for your students and they rose to those expectations. Being out here, I've been able to sit through several baptisms. We had, we had another one Saturday, another one Sunday. And one thing that I notice in a lot of these baptisms is it's almost like the expectation is set that you have arrived once you've been baptized. Like congratulations, you did it, you're done. And now the church owes you something because you did a favor for the church. You came and got baptized like you did what the church was asking you to. And so now the church owes you something, right? And so as you see the bishopric or the relief society or the elders quorum presidency, extending a welcome into the ward. A lot of the times it's like congratulations. We're giving you, you know, a welcome and we're here to serve you like anything you need. We're here to serve you. And it's a very friendly thing to do and it's extending the hand of fellowship. It's very welcoming. But I also wonder about the expectations that we're setting. Are, are we trying to say that baptism and is the end of the road? Like you did it, congratulations, you made it, you're in. And now we'll take care of you for the rest of life, what kind of expectation are we setting? And if it comes to a time where the bishop isn't paying for your rent or taking care of your groceries or the members aren't nice enough to you and you don't feel like the church is meeting your expectations, you kind of phase out and I'm done. Like I've already given my time to the church by getting baptized and the church didn't reciprocate by giving me enough of what I thought there was to be. And I wonder if we do a disservice to all of these new members who are coming to the church excited to follow Christ. If we set the expectation and not saying congratulations, you have arrived, but rather congratulations, you have started. And what does it mean to follow Christ? Christ said, come follow me and you have covenanted to keep his commandments and do what he's asking you to do. What is he asking you to do what if instead of saying, hey, how can we help and how can we serve? And we're going to take care of you, here's a calling in what the Lord wants you to use you, and this is how the Lord wants to serve you and give them a responsibility, a load, a weight to bear because they've just started and they need that responsibility to keep them engaged rather than burning out because they feel like they're not getting enough value back from the church instead. I mean, it really does get stated very simply from JFK. Right? Think not of what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country. But I, I wonder if we don't do a disservice at times for, for new members of the church and trying to make them feel like, hey, you did us a huge favor by listening to us and getting baptized. Thanks. We owe you one. Rather, maybe we can say, this is the church of Jesus Christ. I'm not going to apologize for that. Jesus Christ has asked us to follow him. Let's find out what that means for you and put that burden on them. Why don't you find out what that means for you? And I've got some ideas and I can help you and I can provide you some guidance. But let's not take away the value of revelation and connecting with God on a personal level. Do we feel like this is the church of Jesus Christ? So, I'm sorry, kind of starting right off the bat in chapter 27, when we're talking about what it means to be the church of Jesus Christ, for me, it just kind of, I don't know, I guess triggered something. Just kind of unpacking a lot here today. So. Sorry if that's a little heavy. [00:17:54] Speaker C: I think it all makes sense. Let's keep going. [00:17:57] Speaker A: All right. 1st 14. One of the ones that like, and my father sent me, that I might be lifted up upon the cross, and after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, that I might draw all men unto me, that as I have been lifted up by men, even so should men be lifted up by the father to stand before me, to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil? [00:18:24] Speaker B: Yeah, that sounds fairly none. [00:18:26] Speaker C: By grace alone shall ye be saved. [00:18:29] Speaker A: No, you're, you're right. And, and it sounds kind of like a two edged sword on this one. Right? Being lifted up by Christ. I can't imagine anything better because. Because what's another word for lifted up? Exalted. Right. I have come to exalt men, Christ became a man, or in other words, a God became a man so that he could make men gods. And when I say the word man, I referring to mankind, right? Men, women, us, offspring of God, offspring of Adam, however you want to refer to it. God came here so that we could be like him and lifting us up and exalting us and making us like gods, powerful. But there's a, there's a, there's a serious warning in here when he says, just as men lifted up me, I'm going to lift up them. And you think about that. How did men lift up Christ? It wasn't a very careful, kind, let me praise Christ sort of way. It was. It was lashings. It was making him carry his cross. It was nailing him to the cross. It was killing him. And so it's kind of a stark reminder for us how. How do we lift up Christ today? Do we lift him up in putting him first and serving him? Kind of going off the conversation that we just came from and what are the expectations? And come follow me. Does he have first priority in our life? Do we take the time to look at our callings, to study our scriptures, to try to receive revelation? Do we try to treat others as we would God, to show that love to him as if he were here? Do we lift him up in a way that we would want him to lift us up? Or is he kind of a burden? The stumbling stone, right? It's either the stone that you build on or the stone that you reject. If to me it's. It's a burden that I even have to think about going and doing my calling. Like, why in the heck am I even here? I wish they would just release me all already. Why do I have to go through church and sit through another 2 hours of whatever the case may be? And I would rather not study my scriptures. I've got so much stuff going on right now, it's really kind of annoying that I have to do any of these things. If he's a burden that we're constantly trying to brush to our side, are we falling into the trap of lifting him up like the Jews lifted him up? And how are we going to be lifted up when we're judged by the father? So it's an interesting verse to think on. Should we go into well out of the books that you're judged? Right? Let's jump there, the end of chapter 27, and feel free. Nate, if there's something that I'm skipping that you want to jump into, you're. [00:21:24] Speaker C: On the path of righteousness. [00:21:27] Speaker A: I'm on a path. First verse 23. Well, actually, I'm going to skip and read 25 26 and then come back and read 23 and 24 25. For, behold, out of the books which have been written and which shall be written shall this people be judged. For by them shall their works be known unto men, and behold, all things are written by the father. Therefore, out of the books which shall be written shall the world be judged. And for me, this is easy to kind of think about talking about the books that are written, to think of the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, the doctrine and covenants. Out of these books that have been written, I'm going to be judged, because I've read these books, and these books have spoken to me and have directed me and guided me, and whether or not I fulfill with what they've taught me is going to be what judges me in the last days. So it's easy for me to think of this as referring to the standard works. But now I'm going to go back to read verse 23 and 24 23. Write the things which ye have seen and heard. Save it be those which are forbidden. Write the works of this people which shall be, even as it hath been. For out of the books which shall be written. It's not out of the books necessarily. Oh, not out of every book, but out of the book that this guy wrote, and out of the Bible and out of this. It's interesting. Out of the books that are written. And in my life, I've been counseled to write down the impressions I have, the thoughts I have, the experiences I have, and I think there's value in writing down the trials that we're going through. Why does it feel so hard that we're going through things that we're going through right now? We're going to be judged by the things that we write. And honestly, okay, doctrine covenants. There's a tie in here with doctrine covenants. One of my favorite scriptures and doctrine covenants is Joseph Smith says, um, you know, dearly beloved brethren, that a very large ship is ofttimes benefited by a very small helm and keeping it work ways in the time, in the times of storm, he's talking about little things that make a big difference. And in that section in doctrine covenants, what he was referring to specifically was document all of the trials that you are going through, the persecutions, the things that are happening, because out of those are the people going to be judged one, the people that are persecuting them are going to be held accountable for what they've done. But also, too, when you. When you look at what you've been through, a lot of times people don't know our story. People don't understand what we've been through or the hell that we've been through to get to where we are today. What they see is. Is perhaps the face that we put on, the happiness that we have, that we present to the world. And maybe people are tempted to think, you know, that person's had it easy. I mean, Nate, there's no way I could even take a stab at the things that you've been through in trying to create your own business, provide for your family, balance things, times where you're trying to figure out what to do because Christmas is coming up or because a birthday or you want to do something with the family. Those trials are things that people don't see on the outside. And when we talk about where we sit in the eternities and we think about what the saints went through, going back and reading through them, I think in our minds, it's very easy to justify their position right there with the saints in the old times. Look at what they've been through and how they were faithful through all of that. And where's our salt? Why are we worth it? Why? What justifies us to be in the presence of these people if we haven't documented the trials that we've been through and some of the things that we've really stumbled with, the times where we had to ask the question, Father, are you there? How come I don't feel like it? You know, Joseph Smith, where's the pavilion? Where is. Where are you hiding? How come they're not hearing the answer to your prayers? And I think a lot of us go through a lot of profound moments of digging deep, trying to figure out why we feel this way, why we feel abandoned. Even Christ wasn't so perfect that he never experienced being abandoned by God. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Right? Those moments of emotion, of depth that we experience, the good and the bad, I think, are worth writing down, and it provides context through which we can be judged. And maybe. Maybe I was struggling and going through a hard time, but. But look at where I am today through where I've been. And I think that provides a lot of context that maybe the most important person that's going to be judging this book is us, ourselves. And we don't feel like we've cheated salvation. We don't feel like we've cheated the system because we can look back and remember the things that we wrote down and said. Actually, there. There is more grit to my stomach than I thought or more value in my life than. Than what maybe I would have assessed. And maybe we judge ourselves more favorably being able to provide our weak memories with the context of what we've been through. Anyhow, love it. [00:26:52] Speaker C: Let's keep going. [00:26:54] Speaker A: Chapter 28. I wanted to touch on the twelve apostles, and you had nine of them when they reached the age of a man that just wanted to check out and be done. And, you know, as a kid, I think you look at this and you're like, why? Why wouldn't the nine want to just live on forever and not die? That sounds so much cooler. You start getting older and you almost start sympathizing more with the nine, right? I don't know. Like, I don't. I don't mind. Check. Check me out. I don't know. Anyhow, the. The nine, with their. Their prayer to return to God when they reached the age of man. And then there was the three that were too embarrassed to even speak or say what they wanted because they did. They. They had desires to just hang out here on earth, be here and do God's will. I don't know. They must have been extremely happy being here and being involved and working. I think it's hard to make that decision, not knowing what's on the other side of the veil. And it is interesting when the Lord says to the nine that say that when you reach the age of man, you will come with me and you will find rest. And the microwave. Yeah. Is there really rest on the other side? What does it mean to have rest in the kingdom of God? Because I swear, people on the other side are just as busy, if not more so, than what we are on this side. I wonder what. [00:28:15] Speaker C: Man, I got thoughts on that. [00:28:17] Speaker A: Yeah, let's hear those thoughts. Have you? [00:28:21] Speaker C: So let me set the table. Okay. What would you do in this life if money legitimately weren't an issue? You know what I mean? And I mean that. I mean that you have to maybe think about the implications of this, but truly, there is an unlimited amount of financial resources in your bank account. What would you, what would your lifestyle be or like, what do you think that you would do that you're not currently doing? [00:28:55] Speaker A: I would say this. My work wouldn't change. [00:28:59] Speaker C: Okay. [00:29:02] Speaker A: But my desire to help people, I think would be replaced more with actions of helping people. I think I'm limited in how much I want to help people with the means that I have. I think I would just enjoy the heck out of being able to do that more. I think that's the only thing that would change. But otherwise, I think I would stay pretty much. I like what I have now. [00:29:22] Speaker C: Yeah, me too. Literally, for me, the literal only thing that would actually fundamentally change is I would just sleep at night. Like, that's the only difference, is that I would get better sleep. If money, if money wasn't looming over, if bills weren't looming over my head, I would, yeah, I would travel a little bit more. I would still do exactly what I do on a daily basis. I would just do it less and I would sleep better. Okay, so now let me, let me, now that the table kind of has been set with that now, think of what it might mean to then have rest in the Lord. Do you think that it means that we just get lazy? I don't, but you just said it. Think of what we could do. Think of what we would be able to do if we didn't have bills to pay. Like if we weren't worried about making a mortgage payment, if we weren't worried about a rent payment, if we weren't worried about food costs, if we weren't worried about. To me, it's like the idea that rest in the Lord just means, and again, I don't know how sleep functions on the other side. I don't know any of this stuff. But what I love is the idea that we really would be able to focus our time actively engaged in important things. And by the way, too, this is why I think that the different kingdoms, it's a pretty interesting thing that you can really, like, think through when you kind of maybe have this conversation under this, I don't know, this framework. It's like if you are living in the telestial kingdom, let's just say, for example, what type of activities would you want to be engaged in? I don't know if it would be missionary work. I don't know for sure, but I'm going to guess it's probably not missionary work and the work of salvation. Okay, well, maybe. Is that the difference? I mean, really, is that the biggest maybe difference between that and the celestial kingdom is like, okay, cool. There are other kingdoms for people that are like, you know, man, if you were to ask me when I was 20, like, hey, what would heaven look like? It's like, I don't know. I get to play video games and play music with my band and just do whatever I want all the time. It's like, oh, cool, we have a kingdom for that. But it's not the. You know what I mean? [00:31:53] Speaker A: Maybe it's not the one. [00:31:54] Speaker C: Maybe it's not the one that is striving to achieve exaltation. I think that this all then comes down to, does rest mean we get to focus our energies doing the things that we find value in? If the answer to that is yes. I don't feel like I've worked a day of my life since 2012, like, I retired. That doesn't mean that I don't work ten to 15 hours days regularly, but it means that I truly love what I do so much that I don't feel the weight of going to a job that I hate, and that is a ton of value. If the idea is that rest in the Lord and being actively engaged at the same time is we're doing something that we deeply love so much, then shouldn't it be where, what then do we find meaning in? And you kind of said it, you're like, man, I really wish I would be able to help people more. I'm like, that's probably a pretty good start for me. I think I need to be better about that and making sure that my priority is in the right place. A big thing for me would be I would be able to spend more time with my family that I don't get to right now because I have bills to pay. I'm like, I feel like that's actually a pretty good place to start, too. I don't think that. I don't think that finding rest or peace in something means that we stop doing it. I think it's totally the opposite. I think that it's, we're provided more time to actually do the things that we really, really love to do and find value in. [00:33:32] Speaker A: I like that. I hear what you're saying. I like that. And as you were saying that, the thought that came to my mind, I think so much of what causes the opposite of rest, unrest, or anxiety is the uncertainty, not knowing. Right. If we don't know, if I know it's going to be bad, at least now I know what I need to prepare for and I can deal with it. If I know it's going to be good, then, then I'm not worried about it. But if I don't know if it's going to be bad or good, sometimes that uncertainty is what's causing us so much anxiety. And I think some of that uncertainty is what drives us to try to prepare for a better outcome. We're not sure if we have the rest in the God. So I am going to keep driving and changing and being like him or whatever I need to do so that I can be sure. And so perhaps that rest is knowing that you were enough. The uncertainty is no longer there. Like you said, it doesn't mean that you're resting from your labors. Although he may have said specifically resting from your labors, I'm not sure. But for me, in my mind, as I was listening to you speak and thinking about rest, I think maybe some of that rest is having some of those questions answered, or knowing that you are enough, or that what you did, what you offered, the sacrifice you brought to the table, was enough, and that Christ was enough to make that difference and to make you whole. And that gives you a great amount of peace and rest. Now I almost have to go back and read where he says the rest. Now you've. Now you've got me thinking, Nate. [00:35:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:35:20] Speaker A: Oh, perfect, perfect. He doesn't say rest from your labors, which I'm glad. It's in verse three. And. And with me, you shall find rest. And, and say even that phrase right. And with me, you shall find rest. Including that with me clause in there makes it feel even more like what, what I'm trying to hit at. Because without Christ, I will never find rest. Because I know that I will never be enough. And that no matter what sacrifices I do, it kind of like if, uh, if I'm sitting here working 20 hours days trying to get something going or started and, and knowing that it will never be enough and no matter what, it's going to fail, that's crushing. But knowing that with me, with Christ, it will be enough. And so with me, you find rest. I kind of like how that sits. [00:36:14] Speaker C: I do too. [00:36:17] Speaker A: When he talks about the three and how they're going to live, Moroni spend some time speculating on this, like, what is it like? Because Christ says that they're not going to change until he comes again. So then again, how are they able to live so long? And he asks some questions and explained that they do receive some sort of change that's different from the resurrection itself. It's kind of fun to see Moroni putting his take in this and showing some of the progress. Moroni, I said it's Mormon. Right? Mormons. That's something I like in the Book of Mormon is you see progression in the prophets. You see Alma who struggled so much, Alma the younger, struggling so much with what resurrection is going to look like and what life after death is, you see, Mormon just very curious and inquisitive. What does it mean for these guys? And how is their body? And, and a lot of people, maybe they don't care about those details, but it's cool to see people that do and that are asking those questions and getting those answers and explaining them to us, something that they find interesting. I like seeing that development and that play out and, and these guys, man, we think of that 400 years as 400 years of pretty good peace until it all fall off and the, the wheels come off at the end of 400 years and everything dies, right? But these apostles, when I wonder what it's like, right? They still had to go and preach the gospel even though Christ came. And a lot of people saw him. I think there was still a couple years of conversion and teaching and hard labor, trying to get everybody on board in sync, and that thing's running. But then you get to the point where nine of the twelve all hit their age and pass away, and you have the apostles replacing them. And these three go through an interesting time where they're being thrown in prisons, thrown to animals and trying to be killed, and they're just surviving everything. And there's a parallel to that in the New Testament. A lot of christian religions don't believe that John the Baptist is still alive. When they talk about Jesus saying, if I will, that he stays until I return, it's none of your business, that's up to me. Right. And that simple statement is kind of the only evidence. It's not something hard for a lot of religions to go on to say, is Christ still alive? But when you have the restored gospel and Joseph Smith goes to the urim and Thummim and asks the question, and it's revealed to him about John, and you see the Book of Mormon talk about the role that Joseph Smith is going to be. Joseph SMith, John the Baptist is going to be playing in the last John the Baptist, John the beloved, the apostle here, is going to be playing. In the last days, we get some extra context. And the parallel that I see with John is it's almost like they, they wanted to test the limits of him not being able to die as well, because he was thrown in at an old age to a cauldron or vat of boiling oil and nothing happens to the guy. I mean, that's the legend. And it's kind of cool to see the, the parallels and the stories that here you have some new fights that are also going through some incredible feats that would kill any normal person, yet somehow just passing it like nothing, and then they kind of just vanish. And I think our culture has been very curious about these guys because it talks about the role that they're going to be playing in the last days and preparing a lot of people and teaching the gospel. That's what they desired. That's what John desired, to be able to stay and to continue to teach and preach. Where are they? Are they meeting with the prophet? And I think it sparks all sorts of legends, stories and whatnot. Mormon really kind of goes on a limb doing that. When he says, by the way, I've seen them, they come to me all the time. And when he talks about it, I mean, it's kind of cool because he's 400 years after the place, right? And he's seeing these guys that are 400 years old. That's pretty wild and crazy. But he says something that's kind of interesting. And this is, I'm going to start in 29. Just provide a little bit of context. And it shall come to pass when the Lord seeth fit in his wisdom, that they shall minister unto all the scattered tribes of Israel and all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, they shall bring unto Jesus many souls, that the desire shall be fulfilled. And also because of the convincing of the convincing power of God which is in them. So they're gonna be playing a great role. And Mormon talks about seeing them and he says, where is it? Where is it, where is it? Sorry. I mean, he kind of gets lost in the details about, about what it means to not die. But verse 26, but behold, I have seen them, and they have ministered unto me. And behold, they will be among the Gentiles, and the Gentiles shall know them not, know them not. And then there was also in here something that was kind of interesting that says that they will have power to appear to anyone that they want to, which is kind of just a teaser on this. And. And I don't know that it's super clear because in the verse it says, and they shall ask God. And if they shall ask God in the name of the Son to appear to people, then, then they shall be able to appear to them. And the part that's not clear is the pronoun they. Is it saying that anyone that wants to see them if they pray to God in the name of the Son and ask that three nephites can appear to them? Or is they referring to the three nephites that they ask God and anyone that the three nephites see fit to go visit that God will allow them to go and present themselves to it. It sounds like it's, it's the three knee fights, honestly, that are running their decisions up through God and kind of weighing out who they should manifest themselves to and what they should do. But I don't know. Unless you have anything else on the three knee fights, it's just a fodder for myth, legend, and all sorts of cool things, and I don't really want to go into any of them. [00:42:14] Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I I do get fomo sometimes that my kids are going to maybe see, like, flying cars and all that type of stuff. And so there are times where I'm like, oh, man, that would be sweet, but you would have to, you would have to really, really love the work that you're going to be doing for thousands of years. Because at a certain point, I think I would just be like, okay, cool, man. Like, I I don't know if I need to hang out. [00:42:42] Speaker A: I don't. [00:42:42] Speaker C: I don't know if I need to hang out anymore. To see flying cars after seeing this. [00:42:46] Speaker A: For 200 years, maybe it wasn't the best decision. [00:42:50] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:42:50] Speaker A: Do you ever have that buyer's remorse? Do you think 3d fights have buyers remorse? [00:42:53] Speaker C: No. [00:42:54] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:42:55] Speaker C: See, I don't know, man. [00:42:56] Speaker A: Maybe. [00:42:56] Speaker C: Maybe they were just really, really excited about doing missionary work for forever. [00:43:03] Speaker A: Long term commitments are scary. Like, it's. It's hard to commit to something that's going to be permanent, and then you're talking about something that's going to last, like, thousands of years. You're like, oh, man. God. Could I. Could I have, like, made, like, a day by day decision on this? Like, why you're going to lock in the next thousand years based off of what I say today? [00:43:19] Speaker C: You know, I mean, I'm sure that they have, like, a bailout plan, but. [00:43:23] Speaker A: Yeah, golden parachutes for the three knee fights. [00:43:26] Speaker C: Yeah, maybe they. Maybe they've already been like, okay, cool. That wasn't a few hundred years was enough. [00:43:32] Speaker A: You know, Joseph Smith said something fascinating about translated beings. It's in the teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith. If you guys feel like you want to go look it up. He said that translated beings aren't even just roaming the earth all the time. He said that there is a planet prepared for them where they go to, and they can go administer to people on other planets as well, which I thought was fascinating. [00:43:53] Speaker C: Well, it's awesome. Love that. Let's keep going. [00:43:58] Speaker A: All right. I think kind of the wrap up on this is honestly the most exciting part the coming forth of the Book of Mormon, the restoration of the gospel, the promises of the second return. Right boy after conference. And so much was said about now is the time to prepare. We've been preparing for a second coming, I feel like for a long time, but it just felt like even more so this time it's coming. There's a lot of things that are happening in the world, and it feels like it's getting closer and closer. And some of these verses are just incredible. Verse two. This is chapter 29. And you may know that the words of the Lord, which he has been spoken by the holy prophet shall all be fulfilled. And you need not say that the Lord delays his coming unto the children of Israel. There's an order, and a lot of things need to happen. And when they talk about the book of Mormon coming forth, and so verse four. And when ye shall see these sayings come forth among you, then you need not, need not any longer spurn at the doings of the Lord. For the sword of his justice is in his right hand. And behold, at that day, if you shall spurn at his doings, he shall cause that it shall soon overtake you. And they're talking about the coming forth, the book of Mormon, and the things that are going to be happening. But one thing that really stood out to me when I was reading this is that when these things come forth, the work has already started. And when we talk about the second coming of Christ, in my mind, I almost kind of envision this in two ways. When Christ comes in his glory to the world, and the world sees and every knee is bowed and every tongue confess, I think that is something that we are waiting for, that we are excited about. The second coming of Christ, as you define it that way, is in the near future, and we are getting ready to see it. But when you talk about Christ returning to the earth to restore the church, to restore the gospel, to restore everything, Christ came. Christ came. And so when you say the coming forth of the Book of Mormon shows that these things have already been in motion, and think about what's been in motion to even get to the point where the Book of Mormon could be restored. Looking at the history of Spain, what would happen if the church was going to be tried to be restored in the 18 hundreds here in what was going on like, there is no way in a lot of parts in the world you would have the freedom and the ability to create a church. Even in America, where we have a government recently established for the people, by the people that granted a lot of power to the common folk and out of the hands of a monarchy. Even still, there was so much ingrained and entrenched in their patterns in the past to try to stamp out the church at the beginning times of when it was being restored. Even in a land of liberty and freedom that's recently liberated from a monarch, there was so much oppression and aggression to try to stamp out the church. But look at how things have changed. Look at the Lord and the reformers and the people that came and restored the gospel, and look at all the angels that have come to the earth, the bringing back of the priesthood, the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. And this work isn't something that just all of a sudden happened. I like the comparison to the day dawn is breaking right as that light starts to come over the mountain, and it just starts to get lighter and lighter and lighter. And I don't know that you can point to a single moment if you. If you're not paying attention. All of a sudden you notice that the room that was once dark is now full of light. And it's just kind of happening and happened. And to me, that's also an aspect of the second coming. Yes, we're waiting for the son to come in his glory and his power, but there's also work that's been happening to restore the gospel that we get to play a pretty important role in. And it's exciting. We live in an exciting time. I think that's. I think that's all I wanted to say on that. [00:48:23] Speaker C: So I don't need to have fomo, is what you're saying about flying cars and stuff. [00:48:29] Speaker A: You're in it, man. [00:48:30] Speaker C: I'm in it. [00:48:30] Speaker A: You're. You're in it. You might be driving a flying car. I'm hoping that, uh, I'm going to refine that. [00:48:37] Speaker C: Okay, go ahead. [00:48:39] Speaker A: You might be riding in a flying car, because you know what? By the time we get flying cars, I don't think anyone's driving them. [00:48:44] Speaker C: I will be. Do you want to know why? Freedom, baby, don't tread on me. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Robots driving you around. [00:48:50] Speaker C: I'm. I am. I don't. [00:48:52] Speaker A: This. [00:48:53] Speaker C: This is probably going to be the way that I finally go out, is that I'm going to be one of the few dudes that's just going to be like, you're never going to take away my gas guzzler, even if that means that I have to learn how to refine oil myself to continue to fuel this thing. I want the freedom, baby. I'm going to find some old muscle car too, that just, it gets like 8 miles a gallon. I'm just gonna leave it idling all night. Just gonna rev it up, baby. Don't tread on me, dog. [00:49:26] Speaker A: Oh, man. [00:49:27] Speaker C: Can you imagine Jesus on the other side? Just like he's, it's just him shaking his head. [00:49:34] Speaker A: You know what I wonder? And maybe this is gonna take us down the wrong tangent. [00:49:37] Speaker C: Tell me what you wonder, because I can always edit it out later if. [00:49:41] Speaker A: He is just shaking his head like, I gave them fossil fuels and now they're refusing to use it. [00:49:47] Speaker C: Like, that actually is genius. All of these plants that had to die, all of these dinosaurs that had to die, anything else that's just there in abundance. [00:50:01] Speaker A: It's kind of interesting because, I mean, this is a whole side deal, right? If it wasn't for fossil fuels, what were we doing before, right? We had to chop down forests and use all the wood to try to burn all the fires. And we were hunting whales to extinction with the blubber. Like, think about what that has brought us and the timeliness of it. And I'm not saying it's always the solution. I just. It would be funny if God said. [00:50:29] Speaker C: There'S probably a lot of funny things like that in the next life where we're going to be like, oh, wait, we shouldn't have been that worried about that thing. All right, whatever. We appreciate everybody listening. I did want to throw one final thing on third Nephi. Can I. Oh, good. [00:50:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Please, please do save me from my ignorant comments of, no, it's great. [00:50:51] Speaker C: Let me just throw this out there. What is. I asked my Sunday school class this, and we kind of came to a good place after this discussion last Sunday, but. So, three, Nephi, eleven, Christ comes. What is the first priority that Jesus had when he came? Because I always, I think I always thought, like, oh, he wanted to heal and bless everybody first, but that's not what he did first. It was the first thing he did. [00:51:23] Speaker A: Was it showing his hands in his. [00:51:25] Speaker C: Well, I mean, yeah, physically there's that. I think functionally is what I meant. Like, what was the task at hand? [00:51:34] Speaker A: Was it baptism? [00:51:35] Speaker C: Yeah. He immediately established priesthood holders, made sure that everybody had the priesthood, and then immediately did what? Start making covenants. That's the first thing he did. And then I followed that question up with in the garden of Eden when Adam and Eve knew that they had blown it, what's the first thing that happened? It's funny because a couple of the answers are always like, oh, they got kicked out of the garden. I'm like, no, that's not the first thing that functionally happened. What's the first thing that functionally happened? Is that God made covenants with them. He clothed them in. And. You know what I mean? It's like the first thing that he always does before preaching, before any of these other things. And even in the case of, like, when he came here, it's like, what? It's like, even before, I always thought like, oh, he blessed the children first thing, because that's a beautiful thing to think about. But that's not for a few chapters, man. Like, I totally. I totally got that wrong, dude. [00:52:33] Speaker A: There's some interesting things in there and some insights on that, because you talk about Christ was ready to leave before he even. He healed a single person and before he even brought any of the children to sit before him. And so you look at his priorities, and that kind of gives you insight into his priorities. He was at the point where he said, okay, I've got other shit to go visit. Yeah, I've got other work, and I've done what I came here to do for him. The most important thing, like you said, is institute the ordinances and the priesthood and make sure they had that. That was his number one priority, to. [00:53:14] Speaker C: Begin making covenants of salvation. [00:53:18] Speaker A: Healing the sick was an after. Okay, well, I've got some extra time. I mean, you've begging to stay. [00:53:25] Speaker C: Okay. I just. Okay, so think about this. Which of those two things is the higher priority, spiritual salvation or physical salvation? Do you see what I mean? [00:53:38] Speaker A: It was the spirit. [00:53:39] Speaker C: That's exactly right. But it's funny because. But human beings, I'm sure I'm gonna assume that everybody there grasped the importance of what was happening. But isn't it interesting that at times maybe we so badly want the. Why am I not physically being healed? You said it earlier, and it made me think of that book that I was telling you about, silence, about the priests in feudal Japan back in the 16 hundreds. And there was always this idea of God. Why are you silent when your people are being killed or when your people are being persecuted? Like, where are you? Why aren't you coming down and physically rescuing them? And this is a theme I feel like. I mean, I'm sure as far back as we can possibly go, but as humans, we see so much of the temporal right. We see so much of the right now, if God's not healing my physical ailment right now, then is he real? If God isn't a taking away all of my physical hurt and pain. Then where is he? Why is he silent? And I think that God's pattern is perfectly illustrated there in third Nephi, and it's why we wanted to talk about it, which was God came down and said, I want you to all be saved. I want to perform saving ordinances, not I'm going to come down and by the way, heal a body that is also destined to die. Still, like, he didn't come. His priority wasn't let me come and temporarily heal. He's like, let me come and make sure that you're saved, that you're part of the covenant, that you are, you are, that you will be with me and exalted, or at least have that possibility. And then it was like you said, now we can put, we can still do a lot of the temporal things that are still beautiful and merciful and incredible, but still with a body that is destined to still die. And maybe there's some perspective in that for the trials that we go through. Maybe there's some perspective in that for the way that God wants us to approach our covenants, how to behave, our actions, all of those things. And I think maybe, you know, it's cliche to say, but the prophet very much coined the phrase think celestial. I don't think that that's by accident. And I think that there's, that, that phrase alone should probably better guide a lot of the behaviors and actions and where our faith is. [00:56:32] Speaker A: That is beautiful sentiment. 100%. I agree. [00:56:38] Speaker C: Man. First thing he came down is like, we're getting everybody baptized. [00:56:44] Speaker A: It was a big priority for him. It was the priority and sacrament was right after it. And honestly, if you go back to the gospel covenant maker, this is my gospel, right. What is the first step of the gospel and is faith? And what is the faith? Faith is first because for him, one might argue that there's no faith in come touch my hands and put your hand in my side and know that I am Christ. And you're like, oh, that's replacing faith with knowledge. That's not faith. That's not true. The faith is by knowing that I resurrected, you can believe that you too will resurrect. You don't know that you're going to resurrect. You don't know what's going to happen to you after you die. You don't know that your sins are going to be forgiveness. There's still a lot of faith to be had. But, but, but faith in Christ does not mean you don't know Christ doesn't live. You can't have faith without a sense of knowledge in the first place. There is a reason God walked with Adam in the garden in the cool of the day so that Adam could teach his kids about the presence of God. There is a reason that God called Noah and visited him so that Noah could teach his dispensation. There is a reason that Christ has been here on the earth, physically revealed to prophets, so that we know he exists, so that we can have faith on the rest. And Christ came to our dispensation just as he did any other dispensation, to give us faith that we can believe that we'll be healed. And so for me, you look at that priority list. First off was faith. Let me show you that I did it and who I am so that you can believe. Now that you can believe. Here are the steps. Here's the process, and here is the beginning, and that's baptism and the covenants. [00:58:38] Speaker C: That process was played out. I agree. That process was played out, by the way, in third and Nephi, chapters nine and ten, which is destruction for people that were basically being threatened to where if we don't see these signs fulfilled that you guys all believe in. Like, there was so much faith that was. That was leading up to three. Nephi, chapter eleven. And then. And then let's just say this, too. Like, again, there's. There's. I feel like a lot of. Let's just say there's a lot of parallels to even, like, the temple, the ceremony, the process of, like, the endowment, which is there was faith by these people, and then what was after that? It was like, by hearing the voice of God, right? Like, you didn't see God at first, but what you did is you heard a voice. And then what happened? I mean, it's like, dude, there were levels of. And a progression of faith all throughout that whole process, too. And then finally, what? Then finally entering into the embrace of goddess to actually be there with him in person. And it wasn't just, hey, times are going good over on the american continent, and then, surprise, here's Jesus. Like, that eliminates the whole thing, man. You know what I mean? That's the shortcut that we keep talking about. And by the way, what lasting good would that have had if it was just that simple of a process? And so, to your point, I think faith was required on multiple stages, both leading up to and after Christ was there. And maybe even while Christ was there, even to your point, I mean, like, the fact that they're pleading with him to come back means that they, in their hearts, believe that they can influence a God to show them more mercy that they can influence. It's like there's faith even in them begging him to stay, that by them doing so, their wants will be met, that their desires will be met. I mean, there's a level of faith every time we say a prayer that we're not just speaking to ourselves out in the middle of the universe to nothing. Right. So I'm with you. I'm glad that you brought up the faith aspect of that. [01:01:08] Speaker A: Dude, you hit on some really good things, too, and I don't want the faith aspect to overshadow some of the incredible things that you were saying. I mean, can you imagine giving somebody the greatest gift in the world that cost you a fortune and years and years of preparation and time, and it was like the only thing you could think about, and it took you everything and every sacrifice imagined imaginable to. To give somebody the greatest gift that you could ever possibly give them. And then could you imagine them turning around and saying, yes, but it would be more important if you actually gave me, uh, a nickel. Like, I mean, to go back to what you're saying. Like, some. Sometimes the things that we ask for and we hang everything on are so pale in comparison to what Christ has already given us. [01:02:08] Speaker C: I think that there is, yes. And you could, in theory, say that them. About them begging Jesus to stay and bless the children and to heal them, because truly, to what had been given to them, at this point, that's a nickel compared to this gift that has taken everything to and all kinds of sacrifice to achieve. You could say that on paper, that that's probably the parallel of that. But then why do you think that it just touched Jesus's heart so deeply that he wept? Because, like, I don't think that he sees that as that. Like, I don't think that he judges our imperfect desires the way that maybe they could justly be judged. Like, I think that what they were asking still meant so much to him that you see what I'm saying. I don't think that he saw even the potential weakness in those requests as anything other than, like, I don't know, like, grace and mercy and. I don't know. Like, there was still something that was so beautiful to Jesus about people just desperately wanting him to stay, that it, you know, it shook him. And so, to add to your point, yeah, I think you could probably look at a lot of the things that we pray for and be like, hey, man, look at this gift you've already been given. All you got to do is act right. Keep the covenants that are a blessing to you and you can be saved. Like, what do you have to ask for more on top of that? And I fall into that trap sometimes, too, but I don't think that's righteous, and I don't think that's right anymore. And I have been thoroughly rebuked by good friends of mine and the spirit to know God wants us to pray for even the weak, feeble. Maybe in terms of the big picture, maybe not important or not valuable things. And those things Jesus still wants us praying and asking for as well. [01:04:32] Speaker A: Yeah. The scriptures are full of stories of people who have influenced God. It's cool. It's a two way street, right? Not only does God influence us, but we can influence God. And that's a. It's a profound statement. But to your point, to convince him to stay and heal them, to stay and bless their children and speak words that couldn't be repeated. What a great blessing. What a great blessing. And it only came because they wanted it so bad that they were. That they were pleading for more. They didn't even know what they were pleading for. I don't. I don't know that they were pleading necessarily to be healed or have them speak to their kids. They just wanted him so much that he was willing to bless them even more. And how many times have people with that desire? I mean, it moves. You talk about faith the size of a mustard that could move mountains. I mean, we're talking about things that move something greater, far greater than a mountain. A God to be moved to compassion and interact with us differently based off of the faith that we have. You make some great points, Nate. You make some great points. [01:05:46] Speaker C: Thanks, buddy. That's all I had. I just wanted to me like the third Nephi from right before Jesus comes to the end of third Nephi, I feel like all was summed up in processes, faith. And then when Christ does come, the first thing he establishes is covenants. And it's the beauty of the baptism ordinance is that there isn't direct, specific, hardened language of what that covenant is. And that's beautiful. It's to be a disciple of Christ. And that changes and evolves over time and even in our own lives, we've talked about it. What I do love is that we are also given the chance to make anew and keep a covenant each week when we partake of the sacrament. Because there are so many blessings that we receive in keeping covenants and making covenants. There are so many blessings that we receive. And I love the wording that Jesus uses in chapter 18 about our chance to weekly witness to God that we will always remember Christ and that we're willing to keep his commandments and then intermixed in all of that. Just the blessings of being a covenant people. And I think that that's one thing that I just wanted to make sure to kind of wrap up when we were ending. Third, Nephi is just how very covenant driven it is. Go ahead. [01:07:15] Speaker A: You remember how I mentioned there was two new years in the jewish calendar in April or March and October. We've been, we've been learning Catalan here and the months. September. Set. The set is the. It's the word for seven. And Sept in Latin, Spanish is seven. And it just reminded me of that. Right. So when you think about our months and where they come from, September is the 7th month, Oct. And we know octagon. Yeah. It's the 8th month. November. Nov is the 9th month. Desimo, diasmo, 10th. Right. So. So count your way back from. From there. And that means that march is actually the first month. So, I mean, even the roman calendar, how it used to be. I mean, you look at the names where those months come from and it still kind of fits that old pattern, which is kind of. It's kind of cool. Spring was primavera. Prima means the first. The first season coming after March is the first season. Just remnants. Fun thoughts. I love that dude, that's musings of. [01:08:21] Speaker C: A crazy one, dude. That's one of the, it's one of the features of the show is we get fun stuff like that. Okay. [01:08:29] Speaker A: Older I get, the more it'll be, the more wild it will be. Great. And one day I'll just be lost in a park and rambling and let us have it. What is that dude doing? [01:08:37] Speaker C: That's perfect. Appreciate everybody listening. We love doing it. We love the feedback. We love interacting with those of you that are the stalwart, the longtime listeners. And we love getting feedback from those that are barely finding us after four years of doing this. We have. We've really loved doing it. We're kind of getting towards the end, we will have gone through all four books, or all four, I guess, of the modernization, modern works, what do we call them these days? All four. Old Testament, New Testament, book of Mormon doctrine, standard works. We will have gone through the standard works at the end of this year. And we'll need to decide if we're willing to dedicate another four years of our lives every week to this. We've loved doing it, but. We've loved doing it, but mate's ready to retire. I don't know, man. I mean, dude, it's so uplifting and it's edifying each week. And just with another child and with work commitments, sometimes it gets a little crazy. But honestly, like, it's worth it. And we love doing it. [01:09:51] Speaker A: I mean, we can't nurture the friendship with camping and bowling, so. [01:09:54] Speaker C: I know, man. That was what a callback there. I don't know if a single person listening this week will pick up on that one. Camping and bowling is so good. All right, so you can get ahold of us at the email address. High deep dive.com. we love you. We appreciate you. Until next week.